24g instead of 28g to learn?

[Guest]

 using a tighter choke might help to gain perspective on definite lead on specific targets, as in if you used full instead of 1/4,you would either miss it .take an edge of or smoke it,the latter being the correct "sight picture" lead required, as for a new comer learning  I think any cartridge that gives the least felt recoil to that person is the biggest benefit,progress from there.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

This is a ridiculous discourse.  I have never, as in NEVER, started a new shooter anywhere besides station 3 on a fixed center target DTL or on station 7 low house skeet - - with something like an IC choke.  Clean and proper gun mount, seeing target, shooting target and getting results are far the most important things to a new shooter.  Introducing a first-timer on a sporting course with no preliminary instruction is guaranteed to be a profitable and long term income for the instructor.  Of course YMMV and you are certainly free to believe and do otherwise.

FWIW a gent I shoot with sometimes recently threw me down a dozen Aguila "shorties".  They are 1.375 overall case length w/18gm of #7 1/2 shot.  The report was a light pop and the recoil non-existent.  Out of a not quite 1/2choke barrel they decisively broke DTL targets as in blew them to pieces.  That same barrel with 24gm loads will easily smoke DTL targets and crush 27yard ATA targets.   YMMV

 

[Guest]

use of a full choke wasnt meant for the complete novice (of course) thats just a reply to others saying some use this in practice,I see the logic in that. and obviously if a regular shooter was to try this you might be taking a lot of shots before you actually connect with what ever your trying to hit, better be tested with some one competant to give guidance from the get go. good instruction cant be underestimated

 

[jwpzx9r]

The original post says “ if you’re learning to shoot as a newbie “ 

based on that anthything which makes hitting a target harder is surely counter productive ? 

Westley makes a good point regarding light loads for a complete novice . I still maintain though,  that  If you have a few sessions behind you , are not flinching, and If you are worried about chipping the the targets  , that  using a lighter load or a tighter choke isn’t going to  force you to “ get more accurate “ . 

The issue  to be addressed is how do you get more accurate ?  So without sounding like a smart arse ,  can I ask how you would benefit in learning from a clean miss with a 24 gm cartridge , or a full choke ?  

How would that make you hit the next one ? 

What would you actuallly do differently to to what you do with a clean miss on 28gm / quarter for example ?  

Then again all of these things are totally irrelevant if you shot a discipline that says 24g is the max load ... so anything at Olympic standard.  So for me the choice is up to the shooter but I honestly believe though that a new shooter would notice virtually no difference in their score one load against the other I would however say that an established shooter who consistently gets his load onto the target would see a difference  because of his accuracy of shot placement and distance he would be shooting the target at.  I think what is most often overlooked about the grammage debate is target distance. If you do not take the target at what would be considered within the normal range then 24g does put you at a disadvantage ... unless you do tighten the chokes up to counter that... then you need accuray   It is not easy but luck does not enter into shooting you are either on target and break the target or you are not and you miss IMO.

 

[El Spavo]

Again, don't shoot the messenger, just trying to spark friendly debate without kn0bheads spouting off about it being ridiculous.

This is a ridiculous discourse.

Have to laugh.

 

[Geordieboy]

24 gram pattern tighter than 28 gram.  Shoot some cheap Jocker 24grams and watch your clays dust.  I used to shoot 24 grams, lovely to shoot, easy on the shoulder and on the pocket (a little easier).  If you are wanting to practice loads, then go for some cheap 24 gram shells.  You'll be surprised at what you break.  Lovely sweet patterns when I put mine on the plate.

A friend of mine is pregnant currently and she shot a 100 birder with 21 grams and half chokes........I was almost jealous of her complete lack of recoil and the breaks she was getting.........

 

[FreeShot]

Hamster pretty said it all. By all means go the 24g route but stay true - beware tho, you will be hard tempted to look over to 28g when things won't go as expected - once you do, 24g is history

 

[ips]

24 gram pattern tighter than 28 gram.  Shoot some cheap Jocker 24grams and watch your clays dust.  I used to shoot 24 grams, lovely to shoot, easy on the shoulder and on the pocket (a little easier).  If you are wanting to practice loads, then go for some cheap 24 gram shells.  You'll be surprised at what you break.  Lovely sweet patterns when I put mine on the plate.

A friend of mine is pregnant currently and she shot a 100 birder with 21 grams and half chokes........I was almost jealous of her complete lack of recoil and the breaks she was getting.........

It is true that 24g hold a pattern better

 

[Geordieboy]

Hamster pretty said it all. By all means go the 24g route but stay true - beware tho, you will be hard tempted to look over to 28g when things won't go as expected - once you do, 24g is history

I think the initial post on the thread was for practice if I'm not mistaken.  24 grams are perfect for it.  Saves a few quid to allow you to shoot more.  That always helps.  Once the person learning is of a modicum of skill, then go and find a 28 gram shell that they like.......if they feel they need it.

 

[schmokinn]

I don't really get the point of practising with a shell your not going to use,seems to defeat the objective as it will feel and shoot different.

If you are going to shoot 24g just shoot 24g and be done with it!

 

[ips]

I don't really get the point of practising with a shell your not going to use,seems to defeat the objective as it will feel and shoot different.

If you are going to shoot 24g just shoot 24g and be done with it!

I agree

 

[jwpzx9r]

Some of the best shooters in the world use 24g loads to shoot the fastest moving targets thrown and make incredible scores... its not the cartridge its the guy doing the shooting that breaks the targets.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Some of the best shooters in the world use 24g loads to shoot the fastest moving targets thrown and make incredible scores... its not the cartridge its the guy doing the shooting that breaks the targets.

That's because using tight chokes and light loads made them more accurate ! ! !   :thumbsu:

 

[paul b]

To build confidence or indulge in a ego massage,i do somtetimes do a round of OT practice with 28grm,much better breaks.A few of the top shots in OT(24grm max) also do UT(28grm max) and i very much doubt they use 24grm at UT.Personally i stay with 24grm as im recoil sensitive and full 100 comp would be uncomfortable with 28grm.

 

[ips]

To build confidence or indulge in a ego massage,i do somtetimes do a round of OT practice with 28grm,much better breaks.A few of the top shots in OT(24grm max) also do UT(28grm max) and i very much doubt they use 24grm at UT.Personally i stay with 24grm as im recoil sensitive and full 100 comp would be uncomfortable with 28grm.

With the odd exeption i shot OT, UT, ABT with 24g for the last seven years or so of my career anyway. I never found 28g any better than 24g for trap disciplines

 

[paul b]

Couple of years ago in lonato i wanted to try a different brand of  shells so bought 25 and boom dust every shot but after 5 i thought wow these are good but bloody hurt,had another look and surprise surprise 28grm.

 

[Cosmicblue]

For me its 24grm (currently fibre Jockers) always - it isn't the size of the shot load that assures a broken target but rather getting the aforementioned load in the right place in the sky that counts. I have a mate who only shoots 21s following shoulder surgery in the past - he doesn't miss much.

So for practice/whatever shoot whatever you want and preferably the cheapest and have fun... 

 

[Doctor Lecter]

my mate has been treated for cancer  and while  having chemotherapy  he shot 21g  for comfort etc     his scores and kills surprised  us all      this is orston  so  quite testing  !!   in fact  he was in the money last sunday    on a tough course   ,     21g    and his shooting ability  doing the business !