ABT Rule change?

[Alan68]

Am I reading the rule change (technical rules for ABT) 90.7/page 23 correctly?. which states; Targets shall be thrown at 32.5 degrees (+/- 2.5 degrees) right and left of centre line.

Old reading: targets shall be thrown withinin an area bounded by angles of not less than 30 or more than 45 degrees right and left of centre line.

As I read it it seems to reduce the angle of throw (thus making it easier) also all targets will be thown at the stated angles left and right and nothing in between!!!.

Am I missing something. ? :huh:

 

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Yeap the angles have been reduced but the birds come anywhere between those two extremes.

 

[Alan68]

Thanks Nicola, thuoght that might be the case but that is not how it reads (at least not to me!).

I would have thought it would have made more sense to increase the angles on DTL and leave ABT as it is making a more even progression to UT/OT.

Perhaps that would upset more than a few a few DTL shooters!.

 

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Thanks Nicola, thuoght that might be the case but that is not how it reads (at least not to me!).

I would have thought it would have made more sense to increase the angles on DTL and leave ABT as it is making a more even progression to UT/OT.

Perhaps that would upset more than a few a few DTL shooters!.

And up the speed / distance.....make DTL throw to 60 and it will get interesting.

 

[Alan68]

Good idea, I might even start shooting some DTL. On second thoughts perhaps not, with my present form i'm depresed enough as it is!!.

 

[newbie]

Am I reading the rule change (technical rules for ABT) 90.7/page 23 correctly?. which states; Targets shall be thrown at 32.5 degrees (+/- 2.5 degrees) right and left of centre line.

Old reading: targets shall be thrown withinin an area bounded by angles of not less than 30 or more than 45 degrees right and left of centre line.

As I read it it seems to reduce the angle of throw (thus making it easier) also all targets will be thown at the stated angles left and right and nothing in between!!!.

Am I missing something. ? :huh:

when did this change?

 

[Alan68]

It is on the CPSA web site. new version of booklet No.7 dated May 4th.

 

[newbie]

It is on the CPSA web site. new version of booklet No.7 dated May 4th.

so i assume all grounds will have had to make the changes already? I ask as shooting ABT tomorrow....

 

[Alan68]

so i assume all grounds will have had to make the changes already? I ask as shooting ABT tomorrow....

If it came into force as of the 4th I would expect any CPSA reg. comp. to apply the new angles etc. It will possibly get a few more DTL shooters into ABT but I think it will take the shine off for those already shooting this dicipline
Edit, Perhaps any ground owners on here can supply an answer to this.

 

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(smile) Viscount Wylye is a sporting ground owner, but he probably would be able to find out an answer quite easily (smile) after all I think he is still the venerable chair of the South West region, sitting on it with his good old mate the chair of the Cpsa.

That is like sitting with God or at the very least 'the bishop of Bisley'.

Viscount daaarling.......Could you find out why the 'hallowed church' made the changes and what the idea is........when you have time after 'evensong' and the flagellation. Many thanks.

(Note my Sunday themed post - wink)

Off to mass now at the 'Saint Rodenghi of the broken Elica' in Rugby for a prayer ' selection ' meeting and and it feels quite cold out there.

Have lots of fun parishioners !!!!!!

Amen.

Sister Nicola

 

[40UP]

Rule is in force now - Nuthampstead just used the new settings over 4 layouts this weekend for 200 targets. Gone are the 45degree angles and the low grasscutters, hello to much higher targets. Speed is now absolute at 75m [which is OT speed but never forget that OT has 15 different speeds]. The new higher top target is more vulnerable to headwind which we got. 186 was high gun - congrats to Keith Kilvington and Chris Tate.

 

[dyosk]

Hi 40up,

did it make a noticeable difference to the target scheme over the 200 compared to pre rule changes ? what was the view of people at Nuthampstead..? a change for the better or not ?

 

[40UP]

Yes it's different, the 32.5degree angles maybe no different to DTL but heights are vulnerable to headwind pushing them up. Steady shooters are better able to track them down but the vertical challenge means they need gunspeed to drive through them. The highgun scores were low but then, it was so cold you could see the shooters' breath in the air.

It's of note that this shoot is to choose the England team for the Home International near Dublin and it's to be hoped that somebody has changed the Irish rules as well or Irish eyes will be smiling.

There's much friendly b anter at the international matches but with 5 nations in a squad and an Irish referee with a Scotsman manning the scoreboard, no quarter is given. Refuse a slow target at your peril.

 

[paulos]

As I understand, all rule changes have to be agreed by all parties in the ICTSF (of which Ireland is a member) so they should have the changes as well.

 

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As I understand, all rule changes have to be agreed by all parties in the ICTSF (of which Ireland is a member) so they should have the changes as well.

Nope. It is the ICTSC. (International Clay Target Shooting Council).

The council is made up of the home countries England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales and has been going for donkeys years. Some time ago they also let Eire(a sovereign country outside GBR) into the council. The Cpsa owned discipline rules are made by Cpsa and put to the council so that everyone plays the same rules in the home internationals.

The ICTSF is a totally different organisation started by the joiner a few years ago. The F stands for federation. This is an organisation that was supposed to span the world shooting 'English disciplines' ..........and includes various other countries like New Zealand, SA, etc why I have never understood......and the Cpsa were supposed to be pulling out of it in 2011. However it seems it is still continuing. It is not well supported and cost us (Cpsa) a fortune for the world skeet which was badly attended.

The powerhouse shooting countries (like Italy, Spain, CZK, Slovenia, Russia, China etc etc ) of course are not involved in 'this little 'world' federation'. The serious shooting nations know that there are only two World Bodies for international competition and they are ISSF and FITASC. (laugh out loud).

However the 'pretender to the throne' It does give great jollies to far flung areas of the world. The directors who were against this massive waste of money however have all now left the board.

The Cpsa should protect the ownership better from the original idea and not be too quick to give things away free.....!!

Hence we now do not have the 'hertiage' left in the name English Skeet.........it is now called 'National Skeet'.........very soon no one will remember or care about who invented the game...........heritage lost!

The next delight will be people who do not have 'real' ownership of the product.........telling us how to make new rules for how to play the product.

so skeeters........watch out........you will all be heading for Olympic speed some time in the near future.

ICTSF as they say up north..........'little cock on little midden'.

 

[40UP]

Paulos - can you confirm your real name is Ian Cognito?

 

[timps]

Paulos - can you confirm your real name is Ian Cognito?

I can confirm he is a bell end....... Ban him I say, he is nothing but trouble....... ^_^

 

[paulos]

Thanks Nic - I stand corrected (said the man in the orthopaedic shoes...). I knew the difference between the 2 bodies but took a 50:50 at the name and got it wrong! D'oh.

Regards

Ian

 

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was chatting to someone about this at the H/W agm. he said the change had come about because many grounds could not manage the 45 degree angles for whatever reason and therefore were not throwing true targets . so the angle was reduced to accomcodate.