Bad News, "it comes in threes"

[FESkent]

I have no issue with the fees being raised. It’s cheap now £75-£100 per year seems more than fair

From a man who makes a lot of money from the sport coaching around the world. Full cost recovery is not justified or fair as society at large benefits so have always made a contribution towards the cost. Then it does not stop at £400 you need to add the GP report costs also. Such upfront costs could turn potential newcomers away, especially juniors. It is likely also to encourage some possible many of the elderly and retired shooters not to renew.

 

[FESkent]

Tim at Greenfields Canterbury now closed and land sold for housing used to call clays, black gold given the high profit margin.

 

[k80ben]

From a man who makes a lot of money from the sport coaching around the world. Full cost recovery is not justified or fair as society at large benefits so have always made a contribution towards the cost. Then it does not stop at £400 you need to add the GP report costs also. Such upfront costs could turn potential newcomers away, especially juniors. It is likely also to encourage some possible many of the elderly and retired shooters not to renew.

I would disagree. If I want a future on this country more stringent checks and laws must come into play these come at a cost. Some will be deterred that’s life.

Kids soccer boots are 200 quid last a year will they stop playing football no you find the money if you love the sport.

 

[TerryTibbs]

I would disagree. If I want a future on this country more stringent checks and laws must come into play these come at a cost. Some will be deterred that’s life.

Kids soccer boots are 200 quid last a year will they stop playing football no you find the money if you love the sport.

If you’re buying a child £200 football boots, you’re out of touch of reality.

No parent with an ounce of common sense would do that, and using that same analogy for this shows poor judgment.

 

[Jeff-7]

I don't think the extra cost of a certificate will be that much of an issue other than it's a lump to pull out all at once. After all it'a 5 year grant so it boils down to a couple of quid a week.
I think the major cost issue will be the added cost of bio wads for the fibre only shoots, a potential price hike of over £100 per thousand.

 

[k80ben]

If you’re buying a child £200 football boots, you’re out of touch of reality.

No parent with an ounce of common sense would do that, and using that same analogy for this shows poor judgment.

Criticising others choices of football boots is poor judgement. What’s expensive is relative to the person buying it.

This cost of licensing will have zero impact on shooting or the amount of shells fired.

 

[k80ben]

I don't think the extra cost of a certificate will be that much of an issue other than it's a lump to pull out all at once. After all it'a 5 year grant so it boils down to a couple of quid a week.
I think the major cost issue will be the added cost of bio wads for the fibre only shoots, a potential price hike of over £100 per thousand.

Agree with all this. But the cartridge companies know this and the fix is near

 

[TerryTibbs]

Criticising others choices of football boots is poor judgement. What if said child had a prince for a godfather would that change the narrative? What’s expensive is relative to the person buying it.

This cost of licensing will have zero impact on shooting or the amount of shells fired.

You have reinforced my point, you deem £400 as reasonable due to the opulence of your benefactors. You would be mindful to know that for many a Prince godfather is not a common occurrence. Whilst for some £400 is manageable, others on a medium salary or those with young children etc will be barred from entry.

 

[k80ben]

You have reinforced my point, you deem £400 as reasonable due to the opulence of your benefactors. You would be mindful to know that for many a Prince godfather is not a common occurrence. Whilst for some £400 is manageable, others on a medium salary or those with young children etc will be barred from entry.

Again I disagree, nope I teach all ends of the spectrum and have friend at both ends and all have said they will continue to hold a license with 95% thinking it’s a good idea and can only help our cause moving forward. £6.60 a month for better licensing and stricter rules again all for it

 

[FESkent]

. £6.60 a month for better licensing and stricter rules again all for it

no guarantee of better licensing and what stricter rules do you want? Section 2 shotguns moved to section 1 ? what problem do you want addressed with stricter rules?

You move in a circle who participated in the sport at a high level and registered shoots, go out to the small local DIY clubs and where they just enjoy a Sunday shoot and you may get a different perspective on the situation.

As an RFD and secretary of a small Club I can assure you the challenges are significant going forward for a working person on minimum wage or pensioners on a fixed income.
Father and junior son, £800 plus GP reports say £1000 do you really think that will help. Then annual increases as the full cost increase.

Gun shops and Clay grounds are closing, home office statistics show the number of certificates have been falling year on year for the last few years.

 

[Welsh postie]

So what about all those that don’t drive 50-100k cars and don’t shoot k guns,people are only looking at themselves and what they have not the whole picture.what about those on min wage not even earning £400 a week and feeding a family. I think £400 is way to much.

 

[PeeJay]

So what about all those that don’t drive 50-100k cars and don’t shoot k guns,people are only looking at themselves and what they have not the whole picture.what about those on min wage not even earning £400 a week and feeding a family. I think £400 is way to much.

Do you think people in that category currently go shooting.

 

[k80ben]

no guarantee of better licensing and what stricter rules do you want? Section 2 shotguns moved to section 1 ? what problem do you want addressed with stricter rules?

You move in a circle who participated in the sport at a high level and registered shoots, go out to the small local DIY clubs and where they just enjoy a Sunday shoot and you may get a different perspective on the situation.

As an RFD and secretary of a small Club I can assure you the challenges are significant going forward for a working person on minimum wage or pensioners on a fixed income.
Father and junior son, £800 plus GP reports say £1000 do you really think that will help. Then annual increases as the full cost increase.

Gun shops and Clay grounds are closing, home office statistics show the number of certificates have been falling year on year for the last few years.

I volunteer at a local club and also teach at 2 for free so yes I’m in touch with that end. I’m not saying we NEED them for ourselves I’m saying we NEED to protect ourselves from the fight that will come for tougher legislation. Sometimes it’s best to get in front of these things

Everything is going up and I can’t see this effecting the sport at all in negative fashion.

 

[Bavarian]

So what about all those that don’t drive 50-100k cars and don’t shoot k guns,people are only looking at themselves and what they have not the whole picture.what about those on min wage not even earning £400 a week and feeding a family. I think £400 is way to much.

To be honest shooting was never a unexpensive sport to do when you go out every one or too weeks for clayshooting.
So the people on min wage didn´t shoot yesterday and won´t do it tomorrow.
But I agree: Higher costs won´t bring more people to the shooting grounds.

 

[FESkent]

I volunteer at a local club and also teach at 2 for free so yes I’m in touch with that end. I’m not saying we NEED them for ourselves I’m saying we NEED to protect ourselves from the fight that will come for tougher legislation. Sometimes it’s best to get in front of these things

Everything is going up and I can’t see this effecting the sport at all in negative fashion.

Tougher legislation to come is difficult to predict and not sure how you think increased licensing fees would prevent it.

Agree that everything is going up and licensing fee do need to increase as last set in 2015 but the going up should be inline with inflation over the last ten years. The move to full cost recovery is unprecedented and unjustified given the history behind the firearms act.

What’s next full cost recovery when the police attend a burglary or road traffic accident, or full cost recovery when they revoke a firearms licence? They collect the firearms and give the owner a bill for doing so, FEOs do work not part of the licensing grant/renewal process.

And then ask yourself do you really think the fees will improve the service when the labour manifesto said it was to pay for knife crime initiatives.

Thank you for volunteering for free to help at local clubs.

 

[FESkent]

To be honest shooting was never a unexpensive sport to do when you go out every one or too weeks for clayshooting.
So the people on min wage didn´t shoot yesterday and won´t do it tomorrow.
But I agree: Higher costs won´t bring more people to the shooting grounds.

Many on low income, minimum wage, pensions, enjoy shooting or certainly before the significant increases we have seen since Covid and Ukraine war.
Some kept costs down my reloading cartridges just as many do for rifle ammunition, Then they may only clay shoot infrequently but do crop protection.
Very biased view to think people on minimum wage don’t shoot.

 

[Bavarian]

Well, here in Germany clay shooting was never really affordable. If one is really on minimum wage the whole process of getting a gun licence, spent thousands for the required equipment and matching the high safety standards may not be the way to go.
And you have to, before the first cartridge is fired.

 

[FESkent]

don worry Ben looks like you will have opportunity to pay the £400 several times a year

 

[FESkent]

Well, here in Germany clay shooting was never really affordable. If one is really on minimum wage the whole process of getting a gun licence, spent thousands for the required equipment and matching the high safety standards may not be the way to go.
And you have to, before the first cartridge is fired.

Interesting, is it not in Germany that all you needed was an arms possession card costing 30 euros to own a shotgun for clay shooting.
what equipment cost thousands? do they not sell cheap second hand shotguns in Germany?

 

[Charliedog]

The increase equates to £1.54 a week, nobody likes to pay more but should be attainable for most