shortlegs
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the second clip is worrying says all about legitimate firearms owners being banned but doesn't mention dealing with all the illegal firearms in this country that account for most of the shootingsFlamin Eck
the second clip is worrying says all about legitimate firearms owners being banned but doesn't mention dealing with all the illegal firearms in this country that account for most of the shootingsFlamin Eck
Hey up Shortlegs you need to start worrying when they start doing DNA checks on the lambsthe second clip is worrying says all about legitimate firearms owners being banned but doesn't mention dealing with all the illegal firearms in this country that account for most of the shootings
No, they will ask if you have a FB account, and tell you they will be checking it as per Home office guidlines. If you then fail to divulge the ones not in your name to them, and they find out you have 4 FB accounts under different names, which they would probably think is strange anyway , bang go's the SG/FAC licenceI wonder if they will check my 4 FB accounts under different names !!!
Then they will find its for intel for the EA.....you never know who is watching.No, they will ask if you have a FB account, and tell you they will be checking it as per Home office guidlines. If you then fail to divulge the ones not in your name to them, and they find out you have 4 FB accounts under different names, which they would probably think is strange anyway , bang go's the SG/FAC licence
I think you are right and it's going to be another layer of expense. When doctors realise that they have the power to influence and we have no alternative, up goes their fee .We are one step away from having to get psychological profiling to own a gun. And we would have to pay for, just like the medical checks done in some areas, including where I live.
It cost me £50 for my doctor to respond to the police. But the stupid part is this, I’ve never met my doctor. He took over from my old GP about five years ago. So other than my records he knows nothing about me. I know he can see on his records that I’ve held a SGC and FAC for decades, because the previous GP told me. We have to expect more hoops to jump through and more costs, it’s inevitable!I think you are right and it's going to be another layer of expense. When doctors realise that they have the power to influence and we have no alternative, up goes their fee .
I wouldn’t assume otherwise.I always assumed that shooting forums and FB groups would be monitored .. if I had anything to do with gun licensing and policing I would
The main problem is there are no hard rules.the home office issue guidance which is open to all sorts of interpretation.the issue of certificates is down to personal preference by not only the chief constable but now gp's. If they are anti in their own beliefs then we will suffer.there should be clear concise rules that not only the applicant must follow but also the police and now the gp's. Regardless of who is blamed for this latest incident it will only be the law abiding holders that will pay the price.I think we all know that the current licensing system is not as it should be. Each police force seems to be able to interpret the criteria in their own way.
Personally I don’t understand why we don’t have just one type of license that covers all firearms including shotguns. Also the hoops you have to jump through differ according to what sort of license you are applying for. The same goes for rules on the storage of ammo and how much you can hold, there is also the issue over where you intend to shoot the weapon. I had to be a full member of a Home Office approved club to get my FAC.
The whole thing needs to be looked at properly, because currently it’s a mess. Every police force should apply the rules in the same way.
I agree 100%The main problem is þhere are no hard rules.the home office issue guidance which is open to all sorts of interpretation.the issue of certificates is down to personal preference by not only the chief constable but now gp's. If they are anti in their own beliefs then we will suffer.there should be clear concise rules that not only the applicant must follow but also the police and now the gp's. Regardless of who is blamed for this latest incident it will only be the law abiding holders that will pay the price.
In some ways I do feel that training is somewhat overlooked when it comes to SGC applications. I know there has always been some resistance to training prior to getting a SGC , but I really cannot see the problem. Yes there is a cost implication, but it could at least put money into the sport as far as clubs and coaches are concerned.I'm pretty sure you have to be a member of a shooting club to get a firearms licence anyway be it HO Approved or not ,for vermin shooting you will be asked where you will intend to shoot it, and prove you have permission from the land owner, and that land will be inspected by the FAO and yourself to see if it is suitable
Unlike a SGC were you just apply and no mention of why or where you intend to use it,or what training you've had with the shotgun beforehand it seems, those will be the changes when applying in the future I would think
Yes I agree with all that.Could I ask how many of those posting have read the detailed reports already published by Parliament following previous incidents. An example is the 2000 report below which discusses alot of the issues, must of which are still current today.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9502.htm
Since then there have been regular consultations and further reports which are easy to find on the government sites. The outcomes are often the same whichever party is in power and the reports (as with the above) are often from cross-party Select Comittees.
I am not saying that those posting are not entitled to an opinion but that in many cases (mine included) that is all it is. Personally, I would happily accept further checks and I would happily pay extra for them (as I would for policing as a discrete item of taxation). I do believe there is a difference between S.1 (firearms) and S.2 (shotguns) and this has been discussed in detail in many of the reports etc but I also accept that a single system may possibly be more straightforward. To me the s.1/s.2 split is due to the risk posed by the weapon type. I also believe that some legislation such as GDPR protects our rights but hinders the Police and thus they are reluctant to investigate avenues such as social media without good cause.
Finally, the government will be fully aware that changing the law does nothing but create confusion if the underlying issue is not having applied the current one correctly, particularily when that is due to the inadequate funding of those who are required to enforce it.
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