Well said!!!! You are right, when I used to shoot DTL back in the distant past I used Winchester Trap 200, not a terribly fast shell but the patterns/kills were excellent! In fact when I moved to ABT I carried on using them until there was a supply problem, then they stopped making the things in the end. At that point I moved to what used to be called RC2 Blue, they cost more than Trap 200 but did the job almost as well and supply was not an issue either. I'm back on RC for OT these days, RC Superniks in fact, the only shell I've seen that can match the breaks I used to get with Trap 200, but they cost a lot of money though. Second choice for me is Fiocchi Gold, they are nice but the kills are not quite as convincing as the Superniks, however I've only used then in my 3800 so far, I hope to try them in my DT11 next week with a bit of luck!!!