Cheap and cheerful cartridges

[Geordieboy]

Fiocchi TT1's.  £150/1000.......and they break everything out there......very well

 

[Luke725]

Its all in the head i suppose but i shoot hull pro one all the time just knowing in my own head im shooting a premuim product just gives me confidence ( takesi missed that because im using  cheap out of my mind when i miss ) but on the otherhand one of my freinds enjoys shooting but hes not serouis about it as me an my other freinds , and he will shoot anything from fibre to plastic from 21,24,28 gram cheap to exspensive an still shoots to the same average no matter what he uses .... His motto his if im in right   Place it will break .everyones diffrent 

 

[ips]

Join the club on that one Charlie I have the complete specific gravity chart for lead antimony alloys and 6% antimony lead alloy has a specific gravity 4.5% less that lead ! But the Clever website states that there carbon/quartz shot is 3% harder and heavier than their standard shot. Interestingly just 2% antimony doubles the hardness of shot and there after you are chasing your tail a bit as the curve flattens out. The secret is in the carbon/quartz shot what ever that process entails could be that it reduces the crystal boundary space increasing the sg that way . I worked in metallurgy for a while and we cast spheroidal graphite iron which had a much improved hardness over standard white cast iron. Of course it could be Clever sensationalising their shells read about the T4 revolution here ! http://www.clevervr.com/en/competition-loads/t4-pro-extra-evo

all Greek to me. ?

incidentally before embarking as a regular in the RAF my dad was a metallurgist. I only inherited his spiffingly good looks though, my brother got the brains ?

 

[Darkside]

When Clever launched the T4 Pro Sport Black Eagle, Tom Young the Clever importer cut open a 28g 8, in Supertarget/Pro Sport/Black Eagle and we did a very crude crush test with a leatherman...you could crush the Supertarget to 50% flat easily, the pro sport to 70% with a bit of grunt, the black eagle you could not squeeze to more than 95%of its original shape without breaking the leatherman!!! I took the three open shells home and weighed them on my reloading scales and counted the pellets. (Yes, sad) I can't remember the number of pellets, but there was slightly more in the 5% Pro Extra than the 2-3% Supertarget and the black Eagle were 3-4 pellets less than the Supertarget. So in conclusion, harder and heavier/denser 

 

[westley]

You can throw any old crap at most sporting targets  !

I usually do  !        :lol:

 

[Wonko the Sane]

all Greek to me. ?

incidentally before embarking as a regular in the RAF my dad was a metallurgist. I only inherited his spiffingly good looks though, my brother got the brains ?

Spiffingly good looks?

 

[balltrap]

Spiffingly good looks?

:lol: Have you been studying English Wonko

 

[ips]

Spiffingly good looks?

yes my good friend "spiffingly good looks" ?

When Clever launched the T4 Pro Sport Black Eagle, Tom Young the Clever importer cut open a 28g 8, in Supertarget/Pro Sport/Black Eagle and we did a very crude crush test with a leatherman...you could crush the Supertarget to 50% flat easily, the pro sport to 70% with a bit of grunt, the black eagle you could not squeeze to more than 95%of its original shape without breaking the leatherman!!! I took the three open shells home and weighed them on my reloading scales and counted the pellets. (Yes, sad) I can't remember the number of pellets, but there was slightly more in the 5% Pro Extra than the 2-3% Supertarget and the black Eagle were 3-4 pellets less than the Supertarget. So in conclusion, harder and heavier/denser 

now I did understand that, a scientific metallurgy test with a pair of pliers, that's more on my level. ?

 

[westley]

yes my good friend "spiffingly good looks" ?

now I did understand that, a scientific metallurgy test with a pair of pliers, that's more on my level. ?

Yep, down to my level now we are talking 'Pinchers'  !

 

[balltrap]

Yep, down to my level now we are talking 'Pinchers'  !

No Wes thats in your genes your a scouser

 

[ips]

Yep, down to my level now we are talking 'Pinchers'  !

I see what you did ?

No Wes thats in your genes your a scouser

BUT he is from the posh bit. And he undoubtedly could kick both our ***'es. ?

 

[balltrap]

What do you call a scouser in a 4 bed detached !..........................................................................a burglar

What do you call a scouser with a O level.......................................................................................a cheat

How do you get to the front of a Que in a busy shop in Liverpool.....................................................shout stop thief

What is the scouse version of silence of the lambs called.................................................................shut it yews

 

[Angelfire]

Going back a few, nah many years ago we used to shoot Gyttorp shells. If I remember correctly they were paper cases and felt wads. They threw incredibly tight patterns through my piece. My buddy used to load his own cartridges with the original "plaswad", but when we patterned them they were not as tight a pattern as the good old paper felt Gyttorp. I think it was in the Sellier and Bellot paper case era when they were available. The standard load in those days for DTL was 32gm or as I used to say one and one eigth ounces.

 

[westley]

Going back a few, nah many years ago we used to shoot Gyttorp shells. If I remember correctly they were paper cases and felt wads. They threw incredibly tight patterns through my piece. My buddy used to load his own cartridges with the original "plaswad", but when we patterned them they were not as tight a pattern as the good old paper felt Gyttorp. I think it was in the Sellier and Bellot paper case era when they were available. The standard load in those days for DTL was 32gm or as I used to say one and one eigth ounces.

I think that it may have had something to do with the wads, they were true FELT wads and not the composite fibre things which are used today.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

:lol: Have you been studying English Wonko

Actually I think the "ly" suffix is  incorrect.  Unnecessary as the term is an adjective in itself.

Not surprising considering the spelling and usage  fairly common here

HTH

 

[ips]

you lost me Charlie. Dave and I are northerners we don't "do" english

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Ian, as a perfectly lovely person I'll refrain from any rudeness and only put forth the caution that I can explain it for you but I can't understand it for you    oke:

 

[ips]

very profound. ?

 

[Wonko the Sane]

a perfectly lovely person

what else would you expect?

 

[westley]

Used some Fiocchi PL28 fibre, 6 shot, on game,  through my 2 1/2" S x S today on 'average' height birds. They worked very well, with only 1 bird not dead in the air, BUT they were extremely dirty. Having said that, recoil was low and the barrels cleaned easily afterwards. At current price of £213/1000 from Webber (off here), they will do for me.