Competition Cartridge Rules

[Sian]

on the rules subject does anyone know if it's against sporting rules to dry mount your gun outside the cage before you go in to shoot ?  I was told last week I was breaking a rule for doing this but were they right ? 

Not to be pedantic but surely if you are dry mounting outside the cage that is in breach of not having an open gun at all times except when in the cage ready to shoot or when the gun is in a slip. Don't most follow with a finger - you can always dry mount inside the cage before you call for your first target.

 

[Steve Lovatt]

One of the strangest things I have seen was at the shooting show in feb when a person asked to see a pair , he preceded to load his gun called pull followed each clay with a mounted gun until they landed and then got ready to shoot next pair . Lack of education me thinks , strange things were happening at that shoot quite scary it was run by BASC needless to say I didn't finish it

 

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Cheers Nic it will be nice to know! I wonder if any new shells will appear, or maybe they will just re sell some existing shells. I've grown very fond of RC superniks and also fiocchi golds to a lesser degree,sorry about that Nic!!!

Yes Fiocchi have known for over a year about this and something is in the pipeline.....how it is being done is a 'trade secret' and the information will not be released until the rule changes,,,,,,,,,,soooooooooorrrrryyyyy.

 

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Not to be pedantic but surely if you are dry mounting outside the cage that is in breach of not having an open gun at all times except when in the cage ready to shoot or when the gun is in a slip. Don't most follow with a finger - you can always dry mount inside the cage before you call for your first target.

Not quite because in some FITASC disciplines you can mount behind the shooting position or anywhere on the ground....but in FITASC sporting you cannot. 

 

[Sian]

Not quite because in some FITASC disciplines you can mount behind the shooting position or anywhere on the ground....but in FITASC sporting you cannot. 

I was talking about ESP but now that you mention it - is that what I have heard referred to as the flambé?

 

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I was talking about ESP but now that you mention it - is that what I have heard referred to as the flambé?

Hi Sian....sorry i was rushing off to do a job earlier......and had a quick post. 

The original question was about sporting so i explained the difference between mounting at English (yes you can) and mounting at FSP (no you cannot).

Then the quickie reply to you was to show the strange things even within one Federation....because you can even mount and track someone elses bird from the back or the side at Fitasc Helice (but no flambe).....you can mount around the ground in Fitasc UT and on the layout ...and have a flambe.................where as in Fitasc sporting you cannot do any (although we used to be able to flambe).

A flambe is firing one or two barrels...........

now, some say.......that it is to test the gun before starting the layout........but the Stig and i mostly use it to wake up and I can only manage 1.

.......true story...!!

Oh look at that.........

Gin time..........i'm orf...............laters peeps :wink:

 

[Sian]

Hi Sian....sorry i was rushing off to do a job earlier......and had a quick post. 
 
The original question was about sporting so i explained the difference between mounting at English (yes you can) and mounting at FSP (no you cannot).
Then the quickie reply to you was to show the strange things even within one Federation....because you can even mount and track someone elses bird from the back or the side at Fitasc Helice (but no flambe).....you can mount around the ground in Fitasc UT and on the layout ...and have a flambe.................where as in Fitasc sporting you cannot do any (although we used to be able to flambe).
 
A flambe is firing one or two barrels...........
 
now, some say.......that it is to test the gun before starting the layout........but the Stig and i mostly use it to wake up and I can only manage 1.
.......true story...!!
 
Oh look at that.........
Gin time..........i'm orf...............laters peeps :wink:

Thank you

 

[Alan Rowley]

on the rules subject does anyone know if it's against sporting rules to dry mount your gun outside the cage before you go in to shoot ? I was told last week I was breaking a rule for doing this but were they right ?

 

[Alan Rowley]

 

[Alan Rowley]

I think it's covered in the competitors section of the ESP rules, I for one as a CPSA qualified ref, would not accept anyone with a closed gun being pointed anywhere other than the target when they are in the cage, and it is there turn to shoot

 

[40UP]

24grm for OT is fine by me, but next year they are messing us about yet again!!!! No plated shot next year, so my recently found favourite shells, RC Supernik and Fiocchi Golds, are going to be banned!  I'd rather not go back to Excels now I've got used to the new ones, so I, like many others I guess, will have a winter of shell testing coming up!

Had an update this weekend from a serious Scottish shooter of RedShot who is in the team for Peru that [presumably] market forces have prevailed and premium plated cartridges will continue to be used next year.

 

[Les53]

Had an update this weekend from a serious Scottish shooter of RedShot who is in the team for Peru that [presumably] market forces have prevailed and premium plated cartridges will continue to be used next year.

Cheers Fred that's good news mate!

 

[mx8]

I think it's covered in the competitors section of the ESP rules, I for one as a CPSA qualified ref, would not accept anyone with a closed gun being pointed anywhere other than the target when they are in the cage, and it is there turn to shoot

 how can you try to enforce that if it's not a rule ?, I have shot many E.O's & B.O's and Worlds and I've seen it happen many times and no official intercepted to correct the shooter involved . I just wanted to know IF I was breaking a rule in E.S. 

 

[Sian]

 how can you try to enforce that if it's not a rule ?, I have shot many E.O's & B.O's and Worlds and I've seen it happen many times and no official intercepted to correct the shooter involved . I just wanted to know IF I was breaking a rule in E.S. 

it might be covered by rule 2.17 of the CPSA rules for ESP where it states a gun must be open and unloaded at all times except when on the shooting mark. I take that to mean when in the cage or hoop when the ref has told you it's okay to shoot. Unless rules have changed you get to see the targets outside of the cage if you want to see them before commencing.

 

[Alan Rowley]

how can you try to enforce that if it's not a rule ?, I have shot many E.O's & B.O's and Worlds and I've seen it happen many times and no official intercepted to correct the shooter involved . I just wanted to know IF I was breaking a rule in E.S.

 

[jasper]

 

[Sian]

ha ha. yep on esp it should be a cage  but seldom is . they want us to stick to the rules but the course setters may do as they please.wonder what will happen when someone gets an accidental discharge which was not controlled by a cage ....... watch the solicitors get out of that one ....and you may NOT see the targets from the shooting position I.E  inside the cage , no sorry hoop , no sorry line in the sand , no sorry stand where you want just don't kill anybody. :sarcastichand:
sorry off topic . wtf has this got to do with cartridges?????
jasper

had a bad day Jasper? sorry that's off topic.

 

[Alan Rowley]

When we did the course 10 or 12 years ago we did role play, I distinctly remember that one, besides, if I see someone away from everyone mounting, in a area away from others, and his barrels are pointed skyward, what can you do about that, but a vigilant ref is looking for things like that all the time ( or should be) in the vicinity of the shooters, I have no problem with asking someone not to mount a closed gun around me or anyone else except when they have been called to shoot,( if anyone wants to take that up with the officials thats fine by me, rule or no rule) and as referee, I have told them it is ok to commence shooting, the ref needs to control the stand, we are there to start and end the shooting on the stand and ensure the safety of people in the vicinity, sorry to be off thread

 

[jasper]

 

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Yes sorry it is off topic again....but as usual that particular rule does not cover it.....it is ambiguous.

'Gun open and empty'......so what about a closed gun in a sleeve.....? See......not clear. The rules should be clear.

You may have a shooter who has had an adjustable comb that has come loose.....

There is no problem with them moving away from the crowd to a safe point....and dry mounting the gun....to check the corrected position.....

What's more.....there is nothing in the rules currently for ESP that says that they cannot do it.

Whereas in the Fitasc rules there is. It is clearly laid down.

........just saying...!!