CPSA Awards

[metho]

Nathan truly deserves his title the rest are pointless and hold no weight at all. A few Facebook pictures but that’s about it

Don't forget amber Rutter for being gracious in defeat even tho clearly robbed of gold

 

[k80ben]

Some just like to massage their egos and slag others off unlike yourself Max.

You like a lot of people on social media that have gone soft in the world mistake the truth for slagging off. You mistake the truth for an insult and you mistake the truth for bullying.

The truth is the truth if your bad your bad in any aspect of sport, you can try and dress it up and wolk it up all you want

This doesn’t mean there isn’t room in the sport of shooting for all instructors but don’t call it world class instruction when you’re not producing world class shooters is my argument

 

[Dsh]

Such a shame that this thread has totally brought to light the them and us in the coaching world and it ends up being tit for tat in a discussion. I agree and disagree with certain points here and there but what I would like to say is obviously if I was paying for lessons to improve my technique and scores and had to choose between a multiple world champion and a cpsa or apsi instructor I would choose the world champion every time,they have top level experience and techniques that obviously work that very few of us have so why wouldn’t you want to soak that in. (The only issue with that is they are over 2/3hrs drive away at the closest) . I do believe there is a place for so called button pusher instructors (such as myself in that case) to start people off and get them shooting due to availability of the world class people and travel ect, everyone has to start somewhere and if I can build a good building block of saftey,foot work,timing and basic technique then it’s a good start in my mind and then they can progress to the top lads after that! I have never given the illusion that I could make someone a world champion and I do tell all the people I help that exact thing, I can take you to a decent club level but those extra tricks required need To be taught by the next level up!! I am a full time gamekeeper so I don’t have a lot of time to teach on clay grounds anyway so I do bits and bobs on pegs throughout the season but what time I do have I will take the young out and try to get people interested and that’s where I think us lower level button pushers are valuable because these top lads don’t have time for that or won’t pay to take these kids out. I fight hard to get funding and I put over 50% of the money in myself on the last day I organised just to get them shooting. This is the grass roots of out dying sport so I would like the top level to do more in this department. A lot of people mistake confidence with arrogance or ego?? These top tier sportsmen and women in any sport have to have a level of confidence as it’s part of the personality they have built up to ensure they feel 100% about themselves and that helps them preform to that level! Don’t ever mistake that for arrogance or ego or to have a big head as such? You need to be mentally strong to be that good. Long winded way of saying there is a argument and place for both providing people know there limits.
I would like to thank Ben (I have never met him or spoken to him) before I finish as a member of his Chanel as I find it very helpful and useful to gain tips and certain ways to teach, I have definitely used most of the advice given to help build my teaching platform.
The following picture shows what I’m happy doing and trying to introduce people to our sport so it survives ,if every instructor whether it was a world champ or cpsa ect?? would do this once a year each then I’m sure we would have more champions on our hands.

 

[instructor_max]

Such a shame that this thread has totally brought to light the them and us in the coaching world and it ends up being tit for tat in a discussion. I agree and disagree with certain points here and there but what I would like to say is obviously if I was paying for lessons to improve my technique and scores and had to choose between a multiple world champion and a cpsa or apsi instructor I would choose the world champion every time,they have top level experience and techniques that obviously work that very few of us have so why wouldn’t you want to soak that in. (The only issue with that is they are over 2/3hrs drive away at the closest) . I do believe there is a place for so called button pusher instructors (such as myself in that case) to start people off and get them shooting due to availability of the world class people and travel ect, everyone has to start somewhere and if I can build a good building block of saftey,foot work,timing and basic technique then it’s a good start in my mind and then they can progress to the top lads after that! I have never given the illusion that I could make someone a world champion and I do tell all the people I help that exact thing, I can take you to a decent club level but those extra tricks required need To be taught by the next level up!! I am a full time gamekeeper so I don’t have a lot of time to teach on clay grounds anyway so I do bits and bobs on pegs throughout the season but what time I do have I will take the young out and try to get people interested and that’s where I think us lower level button pushers are valuable because these top lads don’t have time for that or won’t pay to take these kids out. I fight hard to get funding and I put over 50% of the money in myself on the last day I organised just to get them shooting. This is the grass roots of out dying sport so I would like the top level to do more in this department. A lot of people mistake confidence with arrogance or ego?? These top tier sportsmen and women in any sport have to have a level of confidence as it’s part of the personality they have built up to ensure they feel 100% about themselves and that helps them preform to that level! Don’t ever mistake that for arrogance or ego or to have a big head as such? You need to be mentally strong to be that good. Long winded way of saying there is a argument and place for both providing people know there limits.
I would like to thank Ben (I have never met him or spoken to him) before I finish as a member of his Chanel as I find it very helpful and useful to gain tips and certain ways to teach, I have definitely used most of the advice given to help build my teaching platform.
The following picture shows what I’m happy doing and trying to introduce people to our sport so it survives ,if every instructor whether it was a world champ or cpsa ect?? would do this once a year each then I’m sure we would have more champions on our hands.

Such a shame that this thread has totally brought to light the them and us in the coaching world and it ends up being tit for tat in a discussion. I agree and disagree with certain points here and there but what I would like to say is obviously if I was paying for lessons to improve my technique and scores and had to choose between a multiple world champion and a cpsa or apsi instructor I would choose the world champion every time,they have top level experience and techniques that obviously work that very few of us have so why wouldn’t you want to soak that in. (The only issue with that is they are over 2/3hrs drive away at the closest) . I do believe there is a place for so called button pusher instructors (such as myself in that case) to start people off and get them shooting due to availability of the world class people and travel ect, everyone has to start somewhere and if I can build a good building block of saftey,foot work,timing and basic technique then it’s a good start in my mind and then they can progress to the top lads after that! I have never given the illusion that I could make someone a world champion and I do tell all the people I help that exact thing, I can take you to a decent club level but those extra tricks required need To be taught by the next level up!! I am a full time gamekeeper so I don’t have a lot of time to teach on clay grounds anyway so I do bits and bobs on pegs throughout the season but what time I do have I will take the young out and try to get people interested and that’s where I think us lower level button pushers are valuable because these top lads don’t have time for that or won’t pay to take these kids out. I fight hard to get funding and I put over 50% of the money in myself on the last day I organised just to get them shooting. This is the grass roots of out dying sport so I would like the top level to do more in this department. A lot of people mistake confidence with arrogance or ego?? These top tier sportsmen and women in any sport have to have a level of confidence as it’s part of the personality they have built up to ensure they feel 100% about themselves and that helps them preform to that level! Don’t ever mistake that for arrogance or ego or to have a big head as such? You need to be mentally strong to be that good. Long winded way of saying there is a argument and place for both providing people know there limits.
I would like to thank Ben (I have never met him or spoken to him) before I finish as a member of his Chanel as I find it very helpful and useful to gain tips and certain ways to teach, I have definitely used most of the advice given to help build my teaching platform.
The following picture shows what I’m happy doing and trying to introduce people to our sport so it survives ,if every instructor whether it was a world champ or cpsa ect?? would do this once a year each then I’m sure we would have more champions on our hands.

Just keep doing your thing, that’s what matters most, I’m sure you’re doing a fantastic job.

What’s being said here isn’t worth worrying about about whatsoever.

 

[k80ben]

Such a shame that this thread has totally brought to light the them and us in the coaching world and it ends up being tit for tat in a discussion. I agree and disagree with certain points here and there but what I would like to say is obviously if I was paying for lessons to improve my technique and scores and had to choose between a multiple world champion and a cpsa or apsi instructor I would choose the world champion every time,they have top level experience and techniques that obviously work that very few of us have so why wouldn’t you want to soak that in. (The only issue with that is they are over 2/3hrs drive away at the closest) . I do believe there is a place for so called button pusher instructors (such as myself in that case) to start people off and get them shooting due to availability of the world class people and travel ect, everyone has to start somewhere and if I can build a good building block of saftey,foot work,timing and basic technique then it’s a good start in my mind and then they can progress to the top lads after that! I have never given the illusion that I could make someone a world champion and I do tell all the people I help that exact thing, I can take you to a decent club level but those extra tricks required need To be taught by the next level up!! I am a full time gamekeeper so I don’t have a lot of time to teach on clay grounds anyway so I do bits and bobs on pegs throughout the season but what time I do have I will take the young out and try to get people interested and that’s where I think us lower level button pushers are valuable because these top lads don’t have time for that or won’t pay to take these kids out. I fight hard to get funding and I put over 50% of the money in myself on the last day I organised just to get them shooting. This is the grass roots of out dying sport so I would like the top level to do more in this department. A lot of people mistake confidence with arrogance or ego?? These top tier sportsmen and women in any sport have to have a level of confidence as it’s part of the personality they have built up to ensure they feel 100% about themselves and that helps them preform to that level! Don’t ever mistake that for arrogance or ego or to have a big head as such? You need to be mentally strong to be that good. Long winded way of saying there is a argument and place for both providing people know there limits.
I would like to thank Ben (I have never met him or spoken to him) before I finish as a member of his Chanel as I find it very helpful and useful to gain tips and certain ways to teach, I have definitely used most of the advice given to help build my teaching platform.
The following picture shows what I’m happy doing and trying to introduce people to our sport so it survives ,if every instructor whether it was a world champ or cpsa ect?? would do this once a year each then I’m sure we would have more champions on our hands.

Totally agree with your points. Again being the first person to give away and give back to the juniors and grass roots I still do so now. Congratulations on your days and I have full respect for you. Again there is a place for all instructors with out a doubt and in the grand scheme of things what u do is more important than what I do. Your bringing people into the sport, I coach what’s already in and have the desire to be the best they can. My rant was more at the people that criticise the truth being said and call it slagging off.

If I can help you in any way please reach out mate.

 

[k80ben]

Don't forget amber Rutter for being gracious in defeat even tho clearly robbed of gold

Certainly not forgetting amber. I taught amber sporting from a very early age in her career and it’s great to see her progress to the huge heights, but she wasn’t robbed of gold she was robbed of a chance to keep shooting for gold. And a silver in the Olympics is better than anything I will achieve at the olympics unless they bring in chocolate eating which I’ve become Olympic standard at.

The shooter of the year is the only award that holds weight and would be a honour for someone to win.

 

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[PaulH]

I do not begrudge anyone the recognition that they deserve, especially Nathan and Amber for their achievements at the Olympics but I do wonder if the £40k plus cost for the event as recorded in the annual CPSA 2024 accounts is good value for money.

The CPSA website states that "As the National Governing Body we have vision, resources and commitment to develop the sport and through our understanding of today's clay shooting needs, we are uniquely placed to guard, nurture and shape its future".

Does the awards event assist in guarding the future of the sport?
Does it help to develop the sport?
Does it help to shape the future?
Does it nurture the sport, does it encourage new shooters to try our sport?

I'm not sure the awards event does anything to fulfil that statement, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if anyone can explain the benefits.

With our sport under pressure from increasing costs, future legislation and a generally negative attitude to recreational shooting in the country I can't help thinking that the money could be better directed towards encouraging greater participation and thus sustaining our sport.