CPSA Ban Release Triggers... your thoughts?

[ips]

We used to collect water from the toilets and spread it over the ice to make it even smoother and more treacherous.....teachers used to watch us do it. Oh the good old days before RAMS

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[Les Graham]

The safety catch on any gun is just a trigger lock, the gun only become safe when broken or in the case of a semi when empty. I don't like the sound of a release trigger at all, can nothing be done about the shooters 'flitch'??

 

[ips]

As stated earlier in the thread its not allways about curing a flinch, sometimes its because of a disability such as arthritis in the hands / fingers that make it difficult or impossible for a shooter to continue there sport. Now I dont know about the rest of you but if I was in the position of no shooting or learning to use a release trig then I would very much like the latter to be available and legal in the eyes of the cpsa.

 

[Les53]

As stated earlier in the thread its not allways about curing a flinch, sometimes its because of a disability such as arthritis in the hands / fingers that make it difficult or impossible for a shooter to continue there sport. Now I dont know about the rest of you but if I was in the position of no shooting or learning to use a release trig then I would very much like the latter to be available and legal in the eyes of the cpsa.

If I had to use one for reasons of disability or a flinch I would like to be able to do so. I can't think of any other reason why anyone would want to use one anyway!

 

[ips]

Well no you wouldnt choose to use one, but the point is if the cpsa ban them then it will effect not only shooters who need to use them now but also some of us that may need them in the future. I am sure that they are perfectly safe in the hands of someone who has been taught there correct use so safety surely is not an issue in fact I would rather be at the side of someone with a release trig than an auto.

 

[Les53]

Well no you wouldnt choose to use one, but the point is if the cpsa ban them then it will effect not only shooters who need to use them now but also some of us that may need them in the future. I am sure that they are perfectly safe in the hands of someone who has been taught there correct use so safety surely is not an issue in fact I would rather be at the side of someone with a release trig than an auto.

Yes Ian I agree mate! In fact ANY gun is dangerous if the user has not had sufficient or correct training! I will never understand why anyone can buy a gun without having had any training first. I have actually seen people with new guns who cannot even load the things or even assemble them from the case! Such people are an accident waiting to happen as far as I'm concerned. I honestly think that training before you get a certificate should be compulsory. Let's face it, if one can't afford lessons, can one really afford to shoot at all? Just a thought from my soap box Ian!!!

 

[ips]

Yep i had a bloke come up too me a few months ago and asked me to show him how to assemble his beretta 686. he said he had spent 2 hrs that morning trying to fathom it out he eventually managed to put the three peices together but was so confued he had since forgotten what he did. Seems he was attempting to assemble it by attaching the forend to the barrells and then trying to attach the stock .................. the mind boggles :mellow:

 

[Les53]

Yep i had a bloke come up too me a few months ago and asked me to show him how to assemble his beretta 686. he said he had spent 2 hrs that morning trying to fathom it out he eventually managed to put the three peices together but was so confued he had since forgotten what he did. Seems he was attempting to assemble it by attaching the forend to the barrells and then trying to attach the stock .................. the mind boggles :mellow:

When I used to do a bit of coaching, the guy who ran the club asked me give a guy a lesson. I asked him if the guy had shot before, "no" he said," he can't even put the f//ckin gun together"! The had spent rather a lot of money on a H&H side by side game gun, lovely gun, very light indeed! I asked him what game he intended to shoot, but it turned out that he was anti blood sports and only wanted to shoot clays. He had bought a gun purely because he liked the look of it. *****! The shop did not even adise him or ask what he intended to shoot with it. :.:

 

[ips]

To use a modern term OMG

 

[Les53]

To use a modern term OMG

I sort of used OMG, but it may have actually been WTF !! :.:

 

[40UP]

Ok voting time then: so it's more tolerance on release triggers, less tolerance on autos and beginners?

 

[ips]

Er yes that just about sums it up .... but only beginners who didnt have the sence to ask the nice man in the gun shop how to assemble the gun he just bought. No problem with normal beginners.

 

[Les53]

Ok voting time then: so it's more tolerance on release triggers, less tolerance on autos and beginners?

Well sort of Fred! Beginers are OK so long as they get tuition before they attempt to bugger about with a gun on their own! As for Autos, well they seem not to bother the skeet and sporting boys, however we trap shooters take a negative view on the things it would seem! As for release triggers, yes more tolerance is needed, none of us knows if we may need one ourselves one day as Ian rightly pointed out.

 

[philpot]

I grew up in a time when schoolkids looked forward to icy weather so that they could make massive slides in the playground. Sometimes of course they would fall down and bash their head on the ground or break a wrist. Normally this resulted in their parents giving them a bollocking and sending them to bed without any supper. :wink: Suing the school or the LEA for negligence was never even considered. Consequently I have a deep and abiding loathing for well paid petty beaurocrats and mandarins dedicated to inventing ways to control things that don't need controlling. And I don't care whether it's some jobsworth in the local council issuing fines to people who put out 2 bags of rubbish instead of the regulation single bag, or the police closing a motorway for 5 hours because 2 cars collided and grazed the Armco.

I do agree that guns with release triggers should carry an indicator because in theory the ref is supposed to take charge of a gun when there's a fail to fire and therefore does need to know, but IMO the CPSA should not be kowtowing to the ISSF.

It's okay for the Europeans, they love being regulated, they absolutely thrive on it, but we like our independence and the CPSA should be supporting Englands clay shooters and grow a pair.

Here here, spoken with common sense at the fore.

Phil

 

[Lock Stock & Barrel]

Are we any closer/wiser to understanding whether this edict has yet been rescinded?

 

[Les53]

Are we any closer/wiser to understanding whether this edit has yet been rescinded?

Dunno! Not even sure if I can remember what it was now! (Senior moment and nearly pub time!) :.: :.:

 

[Lock Stock & Barrel]

From the CPSA:

RELEASE TRIGGERS





The Board at its last meeting took a decision to ban the use of release triggers from 01/04/2013 due to safety considerations. This would be consistent with the move made in 2011 by the ISSF.





In view of the interest this decision has caused the Board has decided to hold the decision in abeyance and enter a period of consultation.





If any member wishes to submit his/her views on this matter please send a letter or e-mail by 30th November 2012 to Nick Fellows, CEO ([email protected]) who will collate the responses for future consideration by the Board.

 

[ExSCA]

That's the same as the OP - I'd imagine there's no update due until the consultation period is complete.

 

[Les53]

OK but who are they consulting with? Are we going to get a vote then?

 

[Lock Stock & Barrel]

OK but who are they consulting with? Are we going to get a vote then?

Very good question mate.