CPSA Discipline Rules

[Hawkeye]

Does anyone know when the CPSA discipline rules get discussed / changed? 

 

[Jan Powell]

Issues are raised at board meetings although I can tell you from experience, they're not keen on changing anything. I've been seeking changes to DTL rules for several years. I might as well talk to myself!

 

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Which ones..... (just to make certain I know)....?

The 'Oh you are a naughty boy' ones....(in Booklet 5)...

or

'This is how you shoot DTL' ones (in Booklet 7)

If you mean rules changes......then this is how it used to go when i was on the board.

Joe Blogs......'we need to change the rules for DTL'

Mrs Accurate....'oh good...something technical at last...lets get stuck in and get it right'.

Mr Ploddy......'er i don't shoot it...but i reckon we should do this...XYZ'

Mrs Accurate....'.....that's very helpful..... but i think they would string you up if you did that to their discipline'

Mr Isithometimeyet........ 'Cor has anyone seen the time'

Mr Broomuprear....... 'Well I agree with Mr Ploddy....cos you are only a woman...so what would you know about it'

Mr Outforafag........'Have i missed anything?'

Mr Academyexpert.....'Nah....Mrs Accurate it at it again....trying to make us get it right'

Mr Isithometimeyet......'Was that the bell?'

Mrs Accurate........'Comon boys try and focus'

Mr Broomuprear....'Any input Mr Salary'

Mr Salary......'F*&%$d if i know'.

Mr Asleep.....'Should we put this over until the next meeting when we can discuss it more'

Aye, Aye, Aye, Aye,Aye......NO (Mrs Accurate)

Mr Broomuprear.....Ok that is settled we are 'all' agreed.will look at it again in 3 months time when we know what it is....(anyone got any rules for this discipline)

Mr Isithometimeyet.......'That definitely was the bell....I'm orf'

 

[FieldandClay]

Nicola

Very entertaining, how is it really done!!

 

[Hawkeye]

has the making's of a Smith + Jones sketch Nicola

 

[RobertBeard]

I am surprised that technical shooting issues are not dealt with by a committee of specialists for that discipline.  The way I look at it is that my firm's Executive Cttee would not deal with technical tax or audit, accounting, renewables or VAT issues.  The Executive Committee deals with Strategy and delegates down to committees to get things done.

In other words there should be technical sub-committees for technical and rule type issues - not board members but perhaps chaired by a board member with regional representatives for each discipline.

How many committees? Well certainly Trap, Skeet and Sporting  but do we need any others or do you split up between ISSF controlled and Other?

Any thoughts?

 

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Nicola

Very entertaining, how is it really done!!

And you should know.....sitting with me on Region....... :smile:

Are you going to do the Mr Men version of our Regional meetings or shall I.

Do we actually know yet who our discipline reps are yet?....Oh Yeah I remember.....the ones that were already picked before the vote...!!

Oh......silly me.....did I say vote........how remiss.....

I have sat on region for years and we have never voted on anything......we got close to it last time though didn't we Richard.....the £100 to each of our counties to help them out.......but there was some wailing and the vote got put back until the next meeting in 2013....where more reps might turn up.

And they wonder why this sport never gets high profile.

And i wonder why so many of us waste our time on a cold wet evening to get this served up to us.....!

Something has to change...!

 

[Jan Powell]

Nic

I've previously pressed the CPSA on isues such as the placement of target distance markers, the need for qualified referees at registered events, standardisation of trap house size but above all, the creation of a AAA class. It's not just me raising these issues but it makes no difference.

 

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Nic

I've previously pressed the CPSA on isues such as the placement of target distance markers, the need for qualified referees at registered events, standardisation of trap house size but above all, the creation of a AAA class. It's not just me raising these issues but it makes no difference.

Oooooh target distance markers....you cannot mention that word.....or our SC director will have a thrombie. :laugh: He does not want them at all and every time they were mentioned....the answer was no.

As we all know there should be target distance markers.....if you can be arsed :smile:

 

[paulos]

There are discipline sub-committees for this sort of thing. I know one chap who's on the DTL Sub-Committee...

 

[RobertBeard]

There are discipline sub-committees for this sort of thing. I know one chap who's on the DTL Sub-Committee...

Then surely the minutes of their meetings should be published for the benefit of members

 

[Fuzrat]

Scuse my ignorance, are these distance markers trap or skeet? If skeet I seem to remember Northampton have white stakes for target distance on their layouts. If trap how would they help the shooter and why would some be against it?

Not being a trappie or a skeeter (or much of anything else, truth be told ) I am intrigued.

 

[Hawkeye]

Need distance marker's in Skeet to set the target's. Nearly all grounds have them

 

[Jan Powell]

No were talking about DTL.

 

[Fuzrat]

So how are these beneficial in dtl? 

 

[Chard]

I succeeded in getting an ESP rule "changed". The nonsense about refs being able to take up to 3 seconds to launch a clay, when it should be instant.

It was agreed that it would be corrected, but I notice it hasn't happened yet. Booklet 7 is the same as it ever was, or at least there's still a peculiar reference to 3 seconds in the list of what constitutes a no bird. With that left in there, it effectively means that the ref can still take 3 seconds. They don't seem to like putting things in black and white, It seems it's better to leave it woolly and vague.

It takes an age and I'm not sure why. :codemafia:

The CPSA chap who sorted it out, Peter, is on here.

 

[Angelfire]

Nic

I've previously pressed the CPSA on isues such as the placement of target distance markers, the need for qualified referees at registered events, standardisation of trap house size but above all, the creation of a AAA class. It's not just me raising these issues but it makes no difference.

On the issue of distance markers, as far as I know most of the Reg grounds have them. All Championship and "big" shoots do have qualified refs. As for the standardisation of the DTL trap house, they should all be the same, but multi layout grounds do not want the added expense would be my guess. AAA for DTL, that's an novel idea.

Scuse my ignorance, are these distance markers trap or skeet? If skeet I seem to remember Northampton have white stakes for target distance on their layouts. If trap how would they help the shooter and why would some be against it?

Not being a trappie or a skeeter (or much of anything else, truth be told ) I am intrigued.

Fuzzy, DTL should have a maximum distance marker on each layout, and also two angle markers. The problem is, if it is windy on shoot day it's quite easy for a missed targer to drift outside of the angle markers, the less honest shooter wants the target again of course - even though it was missed. Same as the less honest shooter refusing a target because the wind had an effect on the targets angle.

So with all the bickering, wailing and gnashing of teeth, a round that should take 10 mins takes 30 mins or more - at a big shoot 500 plus guns the Competition would never be completed. Answer - leave out the angle markers.

Phil*

 

[DoubleBarrelledDon]

I always thought DTL would be a lot more thrilling if standards were replaced with battues......think that will go through as a rule change?......

 

[Hawkeye]

No were talking about DTL.

You might have been, Fuz made reference to trap and skeet , which is what I was replying to. If you don't like it , stick to the TRAP section