I agree Ian, mind you, our current OT champ/team skipper uses a K80...but then again he sells them too! :laugh:Looks ok in pic certainly very cheap. Personally i would go for a flatter rib but thats just me. You dont see very many k users on the trap circuit but very popular for dtl boys. If it was me i would go beretta but go and have a look at least you will have a comparison and not may see something else while not are there.