DT11 and fibre wad

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

Hi All,

I am only begginer, shooting about a year, I brought new shotgun about a month ago- DT11, but notices last Sunday that when I was shooting fibre wad cartridges there was no power to them, I think it was my shooting nightmare at Weston Wood.

Somebody told me that there is  no prerssure when shooting fibre wad as DT11 is a competition gun..in addition they were 21 gramm, any advise regards the cartridges ? I should use only plastic cartridges ? however in my area it`s not many shooting grounds where I can use plastic..onluy at the competitions, so how to practice ?

 

[Will Hewland]

There may be a slight pressure drop in a DT11, but the biggest thing would be the very low recoil of 21g cartridges, especially in a good heavy gun like yours. I doubt you would have had a real performance disadvantage, but if it feels wrong then your head is off the job. You can use 24g or 28g fibre cartridges if it feels better to you.

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

I see well I haven`t noticed anything while shooting pratice at my locals but maybe because of the tartges,as they were pretty close.

I will try to use 28 g fibre next time and see what`s happen, I think I should try few different targets and  test it,so at least I know how far I can go.

 

[ips]

I suppose it is possible that the excessively overbored barrells on the 11 do not suit fibre for some reason. ??

 

[Will Hewland]

A more distant target will rarely break as 'violently' as a close one, because the pattern (of pellets) is less dense at distance. So yes, some longer targets may leave you feeling less 'powerful'. Plus they are harder to hit!

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

well I heard that when using over bored barrels like on the DT11 the fibre wads don`t seal as well as the plastic wads in the barrel.

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

oh on top of that was shoting platic week before at Westfiled ( far away targets) and done pretty well so I hope the cartridges are not exuse especially it`s impossible to find far away targets at Weston Wood.. :fie:

 

[ips]

Kasia

This makes perfect sense to me although I have to say I do not have much knowledge of fibre wad.

I do however know a very good trap shooter who tried an 11 for a few weeks and found them to be very fussy about type of cartridges, apparently he also reported a feeling of very slow shot from a few different cartridges and said it was as though there was an excessive delay from pulling trigger to clay breaking.

make of that what you will.

PS welcome to the forum

 

[Will Hewland]

well I heard that when using over bored barrels like on the DT11 the fibre wads don`t seal as well as the plastic wads in the barrel.

Possible. DT11 is a bit unusual in this respect I think. I would try a 21g (same brand) plas wad and see the difference. The plas wad SHOULD give less recoil (certainly the case in most guns). If the fibre feels lower recoil, something isn't great..

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

Kasia

This makes perfect sense to me although I have to say I do not have much knowledge of fibre wad.

I do however know a very good trap shooter who tried an 11 for a few weeks and found them to be very fussy about type of cartridges, apparently he also reported a feeling of very slow shot from a few different cartridges and said it was as though there was an excessive delay from pulling trigger to clay breaking.

make of that what you will.

PS welcome to the forum

exactly ..very slow shot that what I find out.. watching the clays breaking was like watching movie slide by slide..

and thank you

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

Possible. DT11 is a bit unusual in this respect I think. I would try a 21g (same brand) plas wad and see the difference. The plas wad SHOULD give less recoil (certainly the case in most guns). If the fibre feels lower recoil, something isn't great..

there is no recoil at DT11 at all  ( beacuse is so heavy ), one of the reason`s why I love this gun, however I will certainly make an experyment with few various cartridges and see what`s happened . I was using 21 g as we have to use them before purchasing the new slot, plus was shooting browning 525 earlier so they were fine.

 

[ips]

exactly ..very slow shot that what I find out.. watching the clays breaking was like watching movie slide by slide..

and thank you

Yes this sounds exactly what Mr X reported, very unusual. 

 

[garry2749]

There are loads of people debating the DT11 and fiber loads.The backboring makes them more suited to plastic cartridges.I shoot a DT10 and tried out the 11 a little while ago and there is hardly any recoil, due i am told to backboring and weight.

I only used plastic and found it to be excellant.I would try a bigger load with fiber and see how you go.

 

[Steve Lovatt]

Hi kasia it's really good to see you out on competition days , I wished now I stayed and watched you shoot the simo pair of longish crossers at Weston wood , firstly I do know of shooters who have had problems with this gun and fibre wad carts , on any competition with your gun I would stick to plastic wads

It might be worth trying different carts of fibre wad to see if there is any difference but don't rate the performance of the cartridge by the perceived recoil , I shot the beretta world with black gold fibre and I can tell you they have a lot less recoil than the black gold plastic !!!!!!

My advise find a shell you're happy with and stick to it and worry more about the clays you have to hit . Will have a chat Sunday if you are at Westfield , and carry on enjoying your shooting

Steve

 

[ips]

Yes Steve but Miss kasia is not refering to recoil neccasarily, she obviously knows a bit about what she is talking about and seems to be refering to a sensation of slow and no power in the shot which to me indicates a problem with the gun cartridge combination.

Kasia given what we know about the oveboring of the 11 being a bit picky and the fact that you need to shoot fibre at your grounds then I think the only thing you can do is try a few different loads.

Good luck  

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

Hi kasia it's really good to see you out on competition days , I wished now I stayed and watched you shoot the simo pair of longish crossers at Weston wood , firstly I do know of shooters who have had problems with this gun and fibre wad carts , on any competition with your gun I would stick to plastic wads

It might be worth trying different carts of fibre wad to see if there is any difference but don't rate the performance of the cartridge by the perceived recoil , I shot the beretta world with black gold fibre and I can tell you they have a lot less recoil than the black gold plastic !!!!!!

My advise find a shell you're happy with and stick to it and worry more about the clays you have to hit . Will have a chat Sunday if you are at Westfield , and carry on enjoying your shooting

Steve

Hi Steve,

One big word thank you I am having instructions with Pet next Saturday and we are going to try few cartridges, I will go ahead with the gamebore and stick to it. I think it`s my low experience and emotions at the same time as I only got my licence this time last year. I should be at Wesfield beggining of August due to work commitements. So see you soon and I am sure I will enjoy every minute

 

[Darkside]

Hi Kasia, welcome to the forum, I reconise you from Twitter, most of what you have been told about fibre wad cartridges in DT11's is bullsh*t, I actually shoot a DT11, have done for 14 months, I was given all the scare story's too!!!

Fibre wads are inferior in any gun, (unless you want more spread for close stuff) but if you HAVE to use them and everyone else at the shoot HAS to use them, then it's a level playing field!!!

What chokes were you useing when shooting the 21g fibres? What brand of 21g fibres were they? (There are nig differences between brands where 21g cartridges are concerned, IMHO) Why were you useing 21g shells, was it for recoil? DT11's are very forgiving in that department, some fibre wad cartridges have very harsh recoil!!! There are some very smooth 24g and 28g fibre wad shells out there, don't be afraid to experiment!!!

Don't belive all these, "my mate once shot a DT11 and he says..." merchent's, second hand tosh. IPS likes to have a go at DT11's for whatever reason I don't know!?!?

p.s. DT11's are anything but fussy about what you feed them...they will even break clays with second division Italinan cartridges like Fiocchi!!! (They do prefer premier league Clever Mirage as most guns do!!!)

 

[Darkside]

If you want a really nice to shoot fibre wad shell that really shoots well in DT11's, try Clever Mirage T2 fibres...

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

Hi Kasia, welcome to the forum, I reconise you from Twitter, most of what you have been told about fibre wad cartridges in DT11's is bullsh*t, I actually shoot a DT11, have done for 14 months, I was given all the scare story's too!!!

Fibre wads are inferior in any gun, (unless you want more spread for close stuff) but if you HAVE to use them and everyone else at the shoot HAS to use them, then it's a level playing field!!!

What chokes were you useing when shooting the 21g fibres? What brand of 21g fibres were they? (There are nig differences between brands where 21g cartridges are concerned, IMHO) Why were you useing 21g shells, was it for recoil? DT11's are very forgiving in that department, some fibre wad cartridges have very harsh recoil!!! There are some very smooth 24g and 28g fibre wad shells out there, don't be afraid to experiment!!!

Don't belive all these, "my mate once shot a DT11 and he says..." merchent's, second hand tosh. IPS likes to have a go at DT11's for whatever reason I don't know!?!?

p.s. DT11's are anything but fussy about what you feed them...they will even break clays with second division Italinan cartridges like Fiocchi!!! (They do prefer premier league Clever Mirage as most guns do!!!)

well they were just one of the shooting ground cartridges..to me they were fine before when I was shooting 525, maybe the cartridges are excuse ?? haha I have to blame something !