DT11 and fibre wad

[Hotshot100]

How on earth can a 12 bore fibre wad expand to give a good gas seal in an 11 bore chamber?

Exactly the point. My Perazzi isn't overbored whereas my Beretta Excel and Brownings are. When using the same cartridges through both guns the difference in the way the clays break is very noticeable indicating a slight loss of power with the overbored barrels.Obviously this would be more noticeable with the fibre wad/light load, long target scenario.

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

There is a difference between 21g fibre and 21g plastic for distant targets

I spoke to an Olympic trap shooter who was happily using 21g plastic for OT - 24/25 no problem.

He accidentally took out 21g fibre to use (they had been put in the wrong box) in the afternoon having shot well all morning, and couldn't hit a thing.

When he worked out what happened, he conducted a blind test. The 21g fibre just do not work at distance. 21g plastic, no problem. I used them for a while for fitasc and they could break anything.

21g also pattern very tight. You never want more than a half choke. Skeet/quarter is best on most average targets.

I suspect they may not suit the gun either. Combine the problems and that could give you a very bad day

that`s exactly how I felt, I couldn`thit anything ..one friendly chap who made a comment about my cartridges passed me his shels and surprise surprise I hit both targets ! however still my shooting day was ruined and my shooting confidence went down a lot that day.Deffinitelly going to try new shels and I will try to use plastic.. not 21 g anymore..cheers !

Tahnk you all for your comments I am not sure how I can reply to all of you at the same time, but all advises are very helpful especially for me total novice  

 

[S.Deaville]

My Fiancé started off shooting 21G fibre after 3 months by our mistake loaded a box into her pocket of my 28G. Her shooting and confidence went through the roof. Now shoots 28G all the time.

 

[jake.keeling]

Really guys? I can understand patterning differences and I've shot duff fibre through my DT10 and had problems, but the DT11 slowing the shot down in the millisecond it's in the barrel so there is a noticeable delay, where there wouldn't be one in a DT10 with same shell, really??

 

[ips]

If nothing effected the ballistic performance for that milli second then why back bore or forcing cone or choke for that matter ?

 

[Hotshot100]

Imagine a bottle of champagne. If the cork is a tight fit pressure builds up and the cork exits the bottle quite rapidly with a big bang and lands several yards away. Now imagine the same scenario with a cork that isn't a tight fit, it goes phut and drops at your feet. :nyam:

Principles are very similar.

 

[jake.keeling]

Yes, I understand the concepts, but I struggle to believe you could notice a speed drop, you normally have to drop to subsonic shells to see a difference.
But I can see why fibre wads might reduce pressure more than plastic. Guess I'll just have to get one when I win Lotto and see for myself.



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[ips]

Slight drift but

a friend of mine used to shoot pistol. He miss loaded some bullets and on firing at the indoor range the bullet landed on the floor about 5 yds in front much to the amusement of all one of which is another good friend of mine who relishes the opportunity of telling all to this day

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

My Fiancé started off shooting 21G fibre after 3 months by our mistake loaded a box into her pocket of my 28G. Her shooting and confidence went through the roof. Now shoots 28G all the time.

maybe I should try as well thank you !

 

[Kasia To Be Fisher]

Yes, I understand the concepts, but I struggle to believe you could notice a speed drop, you normally have to drop to subsonic shells to see a difference. But I can see why fibre wads might reduce pressure more than plastic. Guess I'll just have to get one when I win Lotto and see for myself. http://www.tirovesti.co.uk/

haha I haven`t win lotto .. just working hard ..

 

[ROBERT6500]

When the first DT11s came out for a trial I was given one to play with for a while for Shootinguk.

What with all the talk of fibre not working because of the aforementioned reasons I thought I'd put 250 Hull Comp X 21g Fibres through it at the same time I put a lot of other mixed stuff though it. 21g/24g/28g/30g/32g with a mix of plastic and fibre wads. I acquire a lot of odds of cartridges in my job.

Using Wylye as a test ground along with a difficult local FITASC ground I set too to settle my own mind on the subject as I was considering buying one in the future when all the dust had died down. 

I have to be honest and say that apart from the recoil differences and the 21g sounding a little poppy rather than a good bang there was very, very little difference in it. Sure I could near smoke the 65yd crosser with half choke and a Black Gold plastic 28g but the 21g fibre broke it very well as well, even with the 1/4 choke.

I noticed no real difference in speed or delivery as it were, just good breaks. I knew the 21g was easily capable of doing this in a conventional shall we say gun as I've used them since they first came out. One of the tricks I'm often asked to do at Wylye when I feel like it is to shoot the long crosser on the bank with a 26" skeet gun and Hull 21g fibres when someone is struggling to hit it and complaining about the target.... :haha:

However over the years the mental side of shooting is fixed well and truly fast in my head and I do not think about anything or any cartridge whatsoever...just the target itself. Trees, grass, weeds, flowers, dirt banks etc, they all blue sky to me as I only see the target.....it really helps. :spiteful:

 

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[Kasia To Be Fisher]

When the first DT11s came out for a trial I was given one to play with for a while for Shootinguk.

What with all the talk of fibre not working because of the aforementioned reasons I thought I'd put 250 Hull Comp X 21g Fibres through it at the same time I put a lot of other mixed stuff though it. 21g/24g/28g/30g/32g with a mix of plastic and fibre wads. I acquire a lot of odds of cartridges in my job.

Using Wylye as a test ground along with a difficult local FITASC ground I set too to settle my own mind on the subject as I was considering buying one in the future when all the dust had died down.

I have to be honest and say that apart from the recoil differences and the 21g sounding a little poppy rather than a good bang there was very, very little difference in it. Sure I could near smoke the 65yd crosser with half choke and a Black Gold plastic 28g but the 21g fibre broke it very well as well, even with the 1/4 choke.

I noticed no real difference in speed or delivery as it were, just good breaks. I knew the 21g was easily capable of doing this in a conventional shall we say gun as I've used them since they first came out. One of the tricks I'm often asked to do at Wylye when I feel like it is to shoot the long crosser on the bank with a 26" skeet gun and Hull 21g fibres when someone is struggling to hit it and complaining about the target.... :haha:

However over the years the mental side of shooting is fixed well and truly fast in my head and I do not think about anything or any cartridge whatsoever...just the target itself. Trees, grass, weeds, flowers, dirt banks etc, they all blue sky to me as I only see the target.....it really helps. :spiteful:

Must be my poor performance ! No excuses

 

[jake.keeling]

When the first DT11s came out for a trial I was given one to play with for a while for Shootinguk.
What with all the talk of fibre not working because of the aforementioned reasons I thought I'd put 250 Hull Comp X 21g Fibres through it at the same time I put a lot of other mixed stuff though it. 21g/24g/28g/30g/32g with a mix of plastic and fibre wads. I acquire a lot of odds of cartridges in my job.
Using Wylye as a test ground along with a difficult local FITASC ground I set too to settle my own mind on the subject as I was considering buying one in the future when all the dust had died down.
I have to be honest and say that apart from the recoil differences and the 21g sounding a little poppy rather than a good bang there was very, very little difference in it. Sure I could near smoke the 65yd crosser with half choke and a Black Gold plastic 28g but the 21g fibre broke it very well as well, even with the 1/4 choke.
I noticed no real difference in speed or delivery as it were, just good breaks. I knew the 21g was easily capable of doing this in a conventional shall we say gun as I've used them since they first came out. One of the tricks I'm often asked to do at Wylye when I feel like it is to shoot the long crosser on the bank with a 26" skeet gun and Hull 21g fibres when someone is struggling to hit it and complaining about the target.... :haha:
However over the years the mental side of shooting is fixed well and truly fast in my head and I do not think about anything or any cartridge whatsoever...just the target itself. Trees, grass, weeds, flowers, dirt banks etc, they all blue sky to me as I only see the target.....it really helps. :spiteful:
Must be my poor performance ! No excuses

Firstly thank you Rob for some honest science and opinion.
Kasia, no it's not your poor performance, I think you are just noticing the different cartridge characteristics and they are getting into your head. As Rob says it takes a lot to ignore all these things and just learn to hit the target. But you are right, no exuses!


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[jwpzx9r]

I had some fibre wad lyle vale express 28g I brought from the UK. I tried some through my Beretta at the ABT, two things, the report sounded totally different to plastic so much so that someone insisted on checking my gun to make sure it was not a misfire and the wad was stuck up the tube the second I shot just as many or few as before   . I,maybe naively, believe if you shoot the right bit of sky you will break the target provided it is a realistic one!