Gun up or down

[Sparky]

There’s a rule for fitase and a rule for Olympic skeet about gun down which refs should pay attention to , and warn shooters of any flouting of the rule . Other disciplines sporting ect shoot how you want , unless there’s rule against it . It personal preference how you shoot gun up or down , but I think this so called cheat method is an insult to a shooter there's know cheating about it . Isn’t that what the ref is there for to make sure everyone plays by the rules

 

[Westward]

There’s a rule for fitase and a rule for Olympic skeet about gun down which refs should pay attention to , and warn shooters of any flouting of the rule . Other disciplines sporting ect shoot how you want , unless there’s rule against it . It personal preference how you shoot gun up or down , but I think this so called cheat method is an insult to a shooter there's know cheating about it . Isn’t that what the ref is there for to make sure everyone plays by the rules

Easy tiger... The term "cheat mount" is just semantics. I has nothing to do with cheating!

 

[mpmilo]

Never heard the phrase Cheat Mount outside the USA.

 

[Sparky]

Easy tiger... The term "cheat mount" is just semantics. I has nothing to do with cheating!

I’m not concerned about what it is , it’s just the word iidon’t think it should be used in that context. You cheating going on enough in this sport . Iv seen it myself but some ground owners don’t do anything about it just let it slide. Is not a work to use lightly

Never heard the phrase Cheat Mount outside the USA.

 

[Mark Edwards]

The term "cheat mount" is utterly common in the 'states. It refers to a gun position, not a flouting of the rulebook.

 

[Sparky]

The term "cheat mount" is utterly common in the 'states. It refers to a gun position, not a flouting of the rulebook.

Perhaps CHEEK MOUNT may be a better way of putting it . Iv shot in the USA and EU lots of times never heard that before perhaps I’m mixing with the wrong person

 

[Westward]

Perhaps CHEEK MOUNT may be a better way of putting it . Iv shot in the USA and EU lots of times never heard that before perhaps I’m mixing with the wrong person

No offence but you seem quite worked up about what is simply a figure of speech referring to a gun hold which is neither fully gun up nor fully gun down and which is very, very common amongst us hedge monkeys.

 

[Sparky]

No offence but you seem quite worked up about what is simply a figure of speech referring to a gun hold which is neither fully gun up nor fully gun down and which is very, very common amongst us hedge monkeys.

Like I said never heard the term and iv been shooting 50 years all around the world. The word cheat in the shooting world doesn’t go down very well with me. So yes I do get a bit worked up . Been in to many arguments about . He hit that , no he didn’t, yes he did even by some of the best shots . Can’t stand it so I do get a bit worked up about that particular word

 

[RJD]

Gun down, gun up is for whimps

 

[AW13]

Depends on the target, time from seeing it to taking the shot, confidence in gun fit and whether you can undertake a repeatable mount. So I tend to shoot mounted or just out of the shoulder, using the 'cheat mount' - first time i've heard it called that before

 

[k80ben]

Fitasc and Olympic Skeet are gun down for one reason to make it harder. When the rules allow mounted so not make it harder voluntarily

 

[westley]

Simply put.........do whatever YOU need to do, within the rules, in order to hit the target.

 

[Orl000]

With low gun , you need to hold out a little farther toward the break point.

The low gun rule is only for FITASC but as Jack says , it is useful in SC's when the target takes a long time to develop .

 

[k80ben]

With low gun , you need to hold out a little farther toward the break point.

The low gun rule is only for FITASC but as Jack says , it is useful in SC's when the target takes a long time to develop .

Hold point should stay the same to get rid of more choices if u feel u have to move it your either wrong originally or have a slow mount

 

[Bavarian]

Skeet and the sporting disciplines are meant to be a training for hunting back then. And on hunting your natural position is gun down as nobody runs along with a gun mounted all day.
To have same conditions for every athlete there are badges on the vest to mark the correct position of your gun.
But of course you loose some time to mount the gun. Especially for olympic skeet your mount and movement should be perfect.

 

[JoostB]

My game is Olympic skeet. If I shoot trap I actually do better gun down than pre mounted. I am sure that if I would train a lot of trap I would be better mounted than gundown otherwise the great shots would be shooting gun down I guess.
If you shoot gun down you should mount while moving. I shoot swing thru. So when the target passes my hold point I will move my body form the hips while pointing my fore end hand to the target. The back of the gun comes up automatically. My cheek is on the stock and I take the shot. In that move I have swung through the target. Should be smooth. For me it is way faster than pre mounted.
I have seen few targets in sporting courses though that were so fast and short that pre mounting would be necessary.
All in all I think that shooting pre mounted makes that you can not make mounting faults. I loose points now sometimes when for some reason the stock doesn’t come exactly in the right position in my shoulder.

 

[Martinj]

Skeet and the sporting disciplines are meant to be a training for hunting back then. And on hunting your natural position is gun down as nobody runs along with a gun mounted all day.

Yes but Competitive clay shooting has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with winning. If you can gain say 5%? more time to do what you do during your swing/shooting process it has to be an advantage especially on fast targets where you are winging it somewhat

 

[Bavarian]

Yes but Competitive clay shooting has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with winning. If you can gain say 5%? more time to do what you do during your swing/shooting process it has to be an advantage especially on fast targets where you are winging it somewhat

I just wanted to explain the origin of the down position. It is obvious that if you can save time you will have an advantage.
At some disciplines you will get a warning or no score with the gun too high.