Gunsite 19/8

[EdSolomons]

I heard that Helice stuff is easy <img src='http://www.shootclayforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':.:' /> :yell: ^_^

True story

 

[Chard]

True story

Like shooting helicopters in a barrel :huh:

 

[EdSolomons]

Once you hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a pack of cards..... Checkmate

 

[radrac]

Okay so this has all got way out of hand....

So I am going to make a few observations from the real world.

Knowledge is a very powerful thing but totally meaningless without the ability to apply it. In all areas of life there are people academically qualified to talk on a subject, but the majority of them, while speaking well, are useless because they are unable to see beyond their blinkered state or they don't understand the core workings of their subject.

Everyone's opinion has an element of validity. In a different world (and significantly more serious) I have had kids that have had less than two years experience and that spew 99% bollox from their mouth provide amazing wisdom at incredibly stressful times and I have had wise old sages that I could always rely on talk total bull.

Experience counts for an enormous amount, but it is does not give any divine right to some kind of truth!

Shooting is fun, it is miles away from the real world...just like all sporting competition...don't fight over it, take it really seriously but enjoy it..

If AA and C can't respect each other for what they bring to the table then I suppose that shooting just reflects the f***ing sad society we live in......

 

[Chard]

Once you hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a pack of cards..... Checkmate

Deuce....

 

[optima]

Okay so this has all got way out of hand....

So I am going to make a few observations from the real world.

Knowledge is a very powerful thing but totally meaningless without the ability to apply it. In all areas of life there are people academically qualified to talk on a subject, but the majority of them, while speaking well, are useless because they are unable to see beyond their blinkered state or they don't understand the core workings of their subject.

Everyone's opinion has an element of validity. In a different world (and significantly more serious) I have had kids that have had less than two years experience and that spew 99% bollox from their mouth provide amazing wisdom at incredibly stressful times and I have had wise old sages that I could always rely on talk total bull.

Experience counts for an enormous amount, but it is does not give any divine right to some kind of truth!

Shooting is fun, it is miles away from the real world...just like all sporting competition...don't fight over it, take it really seriously but enjoy it..

If AA and C can't respect each other for what they bring to the table then I suppose that shooting just reflects the f***ing sad society we live in......

Not sure i understand this post, but it,s got nothing to do with AA and C CLASS NOT RESPECTING EACH OTHER most AA started off in c class, it,s about shoots getting softer,some people seem to think it,s directed at them which it,s not ( unless they just like winding people up) ,it,s about shoots in general.I look at a clay shoot as i would game shoot,i want to be challenged and tested not shooting birds on end of barrel yardley style,in many ways the two are similar take a youngster out pheasant shoot for first time and they,d likely shoot a pheasant running across the floor or flitting over the hedge,within a season they wouldn,t even look at those birds let alone rise a gun to it.

Clay shooting i see the same i still want to kill as many targets as i can but be challenged a bit in doing so,and if i miss 10 more targets on a shoot cause it,s harder so what it,s been harder for everyone so even the top shots wil be a few down. I,d rather shoot an 80 at a tough shoot than a 90 at a soft shoot, though i,d rather shoot a 90 at a tough shoot but unless i,ve shot a good variety of tough shoots i,m never likely to achieve the 3rd option.

It,s a bit like practising on DTL all year and then entering an olympic trap or ABT major and wondering what went wrong when you come last,and you think back and remember someone saying to you a year ago you ought to be practising on the tougher abt and ot targets.

 

[Hamster]

I shot my first clay around 83 I think, back then everything was dustbin lid size, close and in pairs, most decent A shots of present day would have slaughtered most courses. A few years later around the 90's they got a bit harder but having actually lived through the changes I would state without question that targets have got progressively much harder and more technical over the years.

Today I am often in awe of the scores turned in on shoots, it is a credit to shooters who have improved as well as the advent of equipment such as longer barrels, good pads etc. There is a limit to how far and technical you can make a target before it becomes beyond reasonable possibility to straight the stand and thus punish by intent. If shoots are so soft now how come we don't have a queue shooting off for HG?

It isn't the shoots, it's people who have improved.

 

[Chard]

I shot my first clay around 83 I think, back then everything was dustbin lid size, close and in pairs, most decent A shots of present day would have slaughtered most courses. A few years later around the 90's they got a bit harder but having actually lived through the changes I would state without question that targets have got progressively much harder and more technical over the years.

Today I am often in awe of the scores turned in on shoots, it is a credit to shooters who have improved as well as the advent of equipment such as longer barrels, good pads etc. There is a limit to how far and technical you can make a target before it becomes beyond reasonable possibility to straight the stand and thus punish by intent. If shoots are so soft now how come we don't have a queue shooting off for HG?

:.: That should set the rabbit among the pigeons....... :wacko:

 

[GlenPresley]

I respect all shooters this started off with birds only being discussed as a waste of time and then some AA AAA thinking no prize money for lower classes, which I do not agree with.

Then obviously some lower class shooters who have been shooting for so long seem to know everything so that's fine basically they are entitled to an opinion. I don't need to comment anymore, Matts dummy has been lost because he couldn't take a sarcastic post at him but it is ok when he does his Admin stuff and closes threads and puts his foot down like the godfather, maybe he was having a bad day yesterday really should lighten up it was only a little dig! I don't hold grudges, one thing is for sure I am always polite when approached and will always say hello and have a chat but hey ho I better go back to being arrogant! .

I think I can establish from this thread that it is now like Pigeon Watch the 2nd, what started of as serious feedback got into taking the peee out of different disciplines.

All forms of shooting are easy when you succeed!

Have fun I am running across no mans land now back to my trench!

 

[Chard]

I think I can establish from this thread that it is now like Pigeon Watch the 2nd, what started of as serious feedback got into taking the peee out of different disciplines.

Yes, I think we should be serious constantly, bang our heads against the same wall, never agreeing or compromising.

Then we can aspire to something like Clay Sporting.cock :yell:

 

[EdSolomons]

can I throw a discussion about gun fit into the mix....?

 

[GlenPresley]

can I throw a discussion about gun fit into the mix....?

You sure can no doubt your arse will be kissed!

 

[Chard]

can I throw a discussion about gun fit into the mix....?

Only if you're a qualified BASC coach..... <_<

 

[Chipper]

The fact is the lower class shooters make up the numbers.

However, I would abolish Birds Only as this is a complete waste of time anybody who shoots birds only should not be at a registered event as it is a 'Competition'

They should go shoot practise instead of getting in the way!

Glen.

Totally agree with that one ! Promotes the bagging brigade and also no competitive pressure, there should be no place for birds only competition is just that !!

 

[GlenPresley]

Only if you're a qualified BASC coach..... <_<

Ha ha ha ha ha classic!

 

[Westward]

So.....Gunsite then....was it a good shoot?

 

[jim french]

sporting was once a game shoot replacement, teal, rabbit ect.if we shot real birds like some of todays clays you would be asked to leave by the keeper. most shoots i go on are fine well thought out and interesting just move the cage back ten yards. my favourite clay target is one that the top boys miss it gives us a chance to shine, well perhapes not me any more getting older by the day and my eye sight even older. like i said a tad harder is harder for all lets push the game a little and see shoots won on eighty something.

 

[Will Hewland]

I know its round and round this one; but shoots won in the eighties (by a massively experienced shot, with 200,000 shots under his belt) will be a shoot causing misery to anybody who has been shooting less than a couple of years; never mind real newbies.

What this long and subjective debate shows is that there is a big difference between the top shots and the newcomers, who are the future of the sport of course.. I have huge respect for the top blokes and admiration for beginners working hard to learn. There is no right and wrong; merely an order of things.

Maybe there is a place for the competition side of the sport to cater for both sectors? After all, as shooters who pop along to a registered shoot, we are are up against World class shots almost every time. Few sports operate like this. They dont stick a 17 year old racing driver into an F1 race, or a 15 year old tennis player straight into a Wimbledon final.

In the car park after every good shoot, you may find a top shot saying it was boring /easy and a newbie close to tears / quitting after hitting 35 or so.

The whole point is `one size fits nobody`. I believe that the bespoke shoots for AA have never succeeded when tried? I think that in reality we just have to accept that most shoots will appear just about right for the better B and lower A shots. Everybody else may feel disgruntled to some degree.

As my dad used to say, `Economic reality will always get you in the end`. Shoot owners can only run one large shoot realistically, to make it pay. This is what we have now; it can never suit all perfectly and we need to recognise that. It is likely the best compromise we will find.

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[GlenPresley]

Nice Post!

 

[EdSolomons]

pretty much nail on the head I think.