Gunsite 19/8

[Chard]

Here's another thing.

I reckon most of this hard course/easy course is cobblers anyway.

Most people I know would agree that grounds like Orston (for instance) aren't easy. They're not ballbreakingly tough, but they're couldn't really be described as easy.

Unless of course, you shoot there every week. Then they're very easy.

There are plenty of AA/AAA class shooters who are only in those classes because they only shoot grounds that they're comfortable with i.e. ones where they do well.

I'm not saying all AA/AAA class shooters, because there are also plenty who would do well whatever targets they are presented with. These are the real masters.

'Ang that on yer watch chain :yell:

 

[tiptop]

Take the cash whilst you can because when you get to AA or AAA it drys up big time! Hey ho what do I know! :.:

Thats when i will start fitasc down i lowly D class haha.

 

[GlenPresley]

People are just kidding themselves at the end of the day.

 

[GlenPresley]

Thats when i will start fitasc down i lowly D class haha.

Good Man!!!! No cash in Fitasc though! :wink: :wink:

 

[tiptop]

Here's another thing.

I reckon most of this hard course/easy course is cobblers anyway.

Most people I know would agree that grounds like Orston (for instance) aren't easy. They're not ballbreakingly tough, but they're couldn't really be described as easy.

Unless of course, you shoot there every week. Then they're very easy.

There are plenty of AA/AAA class shooters who are only in those classes because they only shoot grounds that they're comfortable with i.e. ones where they do well.

I'm not saying all AA/AAA class shooters, because there are also plenty who would do well whatever targets they are presented with. These are the real masters.

'Ang that on yer watch chain :yell:

It's all about reading the target if you can't read close stuff then it don't make it easy. when you here people come of a stand and say i ca't beleive i shot the hard ones and missed the easy ones what a load of bollox.

 

[optima]

MY favorite targets

Long battue or louper

Quite like the dropping rabbit targets,any distance from 10 to 40 yds( don,t always hit em mind but like the challenge)steve lovat speciallity

and quite like shooting targets below my feet shooting off off towers and high banks,(something a bit different)

my class AA but only cause i shot toooooo many soft shoots should be in c :wink: :wink:

 

[Chris B]

Chris, I think you are slightly missing the point. It is unlikely that people who expect to shoot 40s, 50s, 60s & & 70s are going to happily pay a competition fee (for any length of time) that includes a significant percentage towards a prize it would be impossible for them to win. It would basically represent a charitable benefit for AAA shooters and that is very unlikely to be a model for long term growth and success of the sport at the registered or any level.

If a ground could regularly attract 100+ AAA and maybe AA quality shots the the format would of course work perfectly well for the very top end of the sport, but that would seem unlikely.....

And of course the lower classes (the majority) would probably just continue on as normal with a class/handicap system...

As for fav targets, I much prefer birds above the eyeline and struggle with close fast stuff at, or below the eyeline...

so...

1) fast high teal on the rise

2) any kind of high crosser off a tower

3) a long distance high crow where it seems to take an age for it to break

Oh and I'm a true novice C (9 months shooting, 7 months competing)....but am fortunate to be able to shoot more than most...and do!

Radrac I take on board all you say, and on the whole I cant disagree, at the beginning of this thread it was all about soft shoots and lower class shooters putting in high scores and shooting up the classes, my suggestion was slightly tounge in cheek as I know they would never abolish the classes, it was just a way to get around the moaning about soft shoots and false class positions.

 

[tiptop]

Good Man!!!! No cash in Fitasc though! :wink: :wink:

Won't have a chance of winning in sporting so it would be a new challenge!

 

[Chard]

People are just kidding themselves at the end of the day.

True. Lot of it about :blink:

 

[tommo]

my opinion is that gunsite was a good shoot shot by a extremely in form stuart ! ed had the same at wylye selection shoot although harder . big scores going in because they are good shots not because the shoots are soft ! all shoots have to be for everyone cater for just aaa there wont be any shoots . never been to a ground that i wouldnt go back to there just targets to try and shoot !

 

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you really have this all wrong my friend what we are giving in a round about way is advice, to breed consistency there is no substitute to gradual climb to your potential it is too easy over softer shoots to move yourself into a class which sometimes and more than often will leave you like a fish out of water we all started at the B grade trust me, and there are many occasions in the past when we had similar views to you and shooters like you, I will have a wager that in 10-15 years time if you are still clay shooting your thoughts may change, so take a little advice prior to posting slightly needless remarks.

Well said.

 

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Yep - just 5 mins.- how dare I have an opinion.

We all appreciate your experience Glen - but there's a fine line between wisdom and arrogance.

Whoops, over reaction!

Glen is the least arrogant person that I know.

I think what has been said is that unless you have the miles under the feet and the shots in the air, your opinion although valid to yourself is still a novice one. Like everyone keeps pointing out.....there is no quick fix. You all have to put your time in and then you have a massive bank of knowledge to compare with.

True story!!

 

[ExSCA]

Oh well - thanks for clarifying my perception.

 

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Oh well - thanks for clarifying my perception.

Matt there is no insult here by Glen. He is just giving a vaild bit of advice just like Clint.

People can take it on board as it is meant to be helpful.....or not.

But they are not arrogant for freely giving comment based on years and years of experience and after having gone through what you are going through now. I assure you ....you will have a different opinion on the whole shooting thing after shooting for another 10 years.

Trust me.

Sent from iPad

 

[tiptop]

Some times i dont know where people come from on this site one minute its try differnt grounds to improve and gain knowledge and sight pictures, muscle memory for gunmount. we know it takes time and practice, coaching, patience etc.Most of us are keen to listen and learn from those above us.If having lessons with carl boxham, having one to ones at roundwood is not taking advice i dont know what is.

Then all of a sudden you think you are steadily improving shooting a variety shoots post that you have shot a P.B then its a case of you are shooting easy shoots you will be above your class and everybody higher up on here agrees.

Class averages are done over rolling 12 months so a little encouragement from you people might just help us achieve our goals rather than iust sticking together.

Nicola you keep going on about encouraging people into the sport you have been there seen it, done it got the tee shirt, so come on a little encouragement rather than put downs.

Maybe with all this and the class thing perhaps the sport is about to self distruct.

 

[Clynt]

I know you are Clynt

Thats why i shoot different grounds westfield,weston,4c's,wylye,urchont, newbold,hornet etc, and first time to gunsite.so trying different gronds to improve not just trying "soft shoots"to inflate my score or ego.

As for the cash side there has been loads of different threads on here and people saying that the lower classes should shoot for trophies or tipex if thats not discouraging to the lower classes or new people joining then i don't know what is.

If the higher ranks are supposed to be our piers and they send messages of "oi johnny c class p*ss off until you can shoot" then maybe their really is something drastically wrong with some people within the sporting circle.

And they join things like this to see what its all about not very encouaging.

had a bad day have we ? cant believe you are seeing the whole picture here. or even want to ?

 

[tiptop]

had a bad day have we ? cant believe you are seeing the whole picture here. or even want to ?

What picture should i be seeing as you have such a vast knowledge on the subject.

What have you actually won(world titles,olympics)how are you qualified to tell me where im going wrong.

 

[tiptop]

Clynt,

Put a viper up your pipe and smoke it.

 

[ExSCA]

But they are not arrogant for freely giving comment based on years and years of experience and after having gone through what you are going through now. I assure you ....you will have a different opinion on the whole shooting thing after shooting for another 10 years.

What exactly am I going through now?

I don't have any opinion on this subject particularly, as I have said, I appreciate the wisdom and counsel of ALL of the experienced shooters on this site, people I know have been there and done everything, and I cannot believe that ANYONE thinks I'm not humble enough to accept that knowledge gratefully. However, I don't agree with this rubbish about experience entitling you to a more valid opinion than being a beginner. We all pay our money, so we're all entitled to our moment in the sunshine, and then to critique whether it was bright enough.

Anyway - I've only been here for 5 mins - so I'll say no more on the subject, and let the experts figure it out.

 

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Some times i dont know where people come from on this site one minute its try differnt grounds to improve and gain knowledge and sight pictures, muscle memory for gunmount. we know it takes time and practice, coaching, patience etc.Most of us are keen to listen and learn from those above us.If having lessons with carl boxham, having one to ones at roundwood is not taking advice i dont know what is.

Then all of a sudden you think you are steadily improving shooting a variety shoots post that you have shot a P.B then its a case of you are shooting easy shoots you will be above your class and everybody higher up on here agrees.

Class averages are done over rolling 12 months so a little encouragement from you people might just help us achieve our goals rather than iust sticking together.

Nicola you keep going on about encouraging people into the sport you have been there seen it, done it got the tee shirt, so come on a little encouragement rather than put downs.

Maybe with all this and the class thing perhaps the sport is about to self distruct.

Can you not read........this is not about me!!

By the way......

I not only encourage all I meet into shooting....but I actually spent a lot of time working for it on 4 Boards..... Putting loads of miles on my motor......and many days off work........So I do not really know or understand what you are saying??

Suggest you do a bit of re-reading on this thread.

Many are ready to attack people when they are just stating the truth.......look, at yourself first I suggest.