Had a go at skeet

[PhilS]

Exactly.  For a regulation target, the lead is the lead.  If person A, says they see 4 feet on station 4 and person B says they only see 1 foot...then person B is wrong and is swinging through or pulling away, or cannot define a 4 ft gap 63 feet from them.

Assuming it is person A that is correct........... I know, I know :warning:       

 

[Will Hewland]

Exactly.  For a regulation target, the lead is the lead.  If person A, says they see 4 feet on station 4 and person B says they only see 1 foot...then person B is wrong and is swinging through or pulling away, or cannot define a 4 ft gap 63 feet from them.

Kinda agree.. Clearly, the physical leeed is what it is.

It is all perception when we talk different numbers. Leeed picture is down to how well you judge the units (as in how well you would judge an actual three foot object), but also shooting style will affect it. Speeding away reduces 'picture gap', while stopping increases it, due to the effect of that tiny delay between thinking 'shoot' and actually doing it.

I have certain shooting mates that I have learned to translate their descriptions. One chap sees exactly two thirds of what I do. (He says 4 feet, I need to give it 6). Another mate sees EXACTLY what I do, to within inches.

 

[Fuzrat]

To throw a spanner in the works I "see" an inch for station 4, 3/4s for 3, 1/2 for 2 etc. I "see" my leed at the muzzle rather than at the bird if that makes any sense? But through shooting with various people and asking how much did you give that, I know that me "seeing" an inch is 4ft, 2 inches 8ft etc.

Seen leed is often different from actual leed given  

 

[Kentskeet]

Exactly.  For a regulation target, the lead is the lead.  If person A, says they see 4 feet on station 4 and person B says they only see 1 foot...then person B is wrong and is swinging through or pulling away, or cannot define a 4 ft gap 63 feet from them.

If Will consistently breaks H4 with what he judges as 1 foot of lead he would miss it if you told him to shoot four feet of lead, it doesn't make his judgement wrong...it's what works for him. The set leads on Benders cheat sheets are a guide for shooting the targets at given points on their flight paths...another thing that is not set in stone... shooting any of the targets before or after their apparent "perfect" break point will need different lead due to speed and distance ...

 

[Hawkeye]

what is this leed you keep talking about Fuz?

 

[Will Hewland]

To throw a spanner in the works I "see" an inch for station 4, 3/4s for 3, 1/2 for 2 etc. I "see" my leed at the muzzle rather than at the bird if that makes any sense? But through shooting with various people and asking how much did you give that, I know that me "seeing" an inch is 4ft, 2 inches 8ft etc.

Seen leed is often different from actual leed given

Ooooohh.. Does that mean you are looking at the muzzle too much? I always thought that it was important to see leeed at the clay as a help with focussing on it? (I have no option as I'm so long sighted)
Woah! Surely an inch at muzzle is only a foot on skeet 4 anyway?

 

[Fuzrat]

what is this leed you keep talking about Fuz?

Trying to differentiate between lead, the little round balls in cartridges and lead, forward allowance. Hence Leed for forward allowance

 

[Hawkeye]

so are you or clever spelling it incorrectly ?

 

[Will Hewland]

so are you or clever spelling it incorrectly ?

It's our secret code Bryan. But you can join our club.

 

[PhilS]

Ooooohh.. Does that mean you are looking at the muzzle too much? I always thought that it was important to see leeed at the clay as a help with focussing on it? (I have no option as I'm so long sighted)

Woah! Surely an inch at muzzle is only a foot on skeet 4 anyway?

I shoot with a few guys at my local ground who differ in that some see the lead at the muzzle and some at the clay. 

Does (or did) get a bit confusing when discussing how much lead we each gave, but as has been said, we all see 'spaces' differently. 

Who is right & who is wrong??

 

[Fuzrat]

Ooooohh.. Does that mean you are looking at the muzzle too much? I always thought that it was important to see leeed at the clay as a help with focussing on it? (I have no option as I'm so long sighted)

Woah! Surely an inch at muzzle is only a foot on skeet 4 anyway?

maybe I am too muzzle focused oh dear god another head f**k to throw into the mix :lol:  

 

[Hawkeye]

It's our secret code Bryan. But you can join our club.

Secret code ? Is that similar to a certain handshake?

 

[blaser f3]

I seem to remember (i think ) if you place an object (say a small  pile of orange clays ) 40" both sides of the center post i,e the one where the hoop goes, in a straight line one towards the high house and one towards the low house  that will give you exactly the amount of lead you should be seeing (i,e from the pile of clays to the center post ) you should be seeing from any of the stations ,so as you go (because of the differing angles )from station to station  the percieved lead will be the distance you see  beetween  the clays and post ,

I hope i've explained this clearly enough to understand  

 

[Hawkeye]

I shoot with a few guys at my local ground who differ in that some see the lead at the muzzle and some at the clay. 

Does (or did) get a bit confusing when discussing how much lead we each gave, but as has been said, we all see 'spaces' differently. 

Who is right & who is wrong??

As Alan said , nobody is wrong if their breaking the target

 

[Will Hewland]

I seem to remember (i think ) if you place an object (say a small  pile of orange clays ) 40" both sides of the center post i,e the one where the hoop goes, in a straight line one towards the high house and one towards the low house  that will give you exactly the amount of lead you should be seeing (i,e from the pile of clays to the center post ) you should be seeing from any of the stations ,so as you go (because of the differing angles )from station to station  the percieved lead will be the distance you see  beetween  the clays and post ,

I hope i've explained this clearly enough to understand  

Hmmm.. That will perhaps give you the actual leeed but not the perceived leeed..

 

[Hawkeye]

What if you see NO lead ? Would that be no lead at the muzzle or target? Actual lead or perceived lead?

 

[Will Hewland]

Perceived.

 

[chippy]

I seem to remember (i think ) if you place an object (say a small  pile of orange clays ) 40" both sides of the center post i,e the one where the hoop goes, in a straight line one towards the high house and one towards the low house  that will give you exactly the amount of lead you should be seeing (i,e from the pile of clays to the center post ) you should be seeing from any of the stations ,so as you go (because of the differing angles )from station to station  the percieved lead will be the distance you see  beetween  the clays and post ,
I hope i've explained this clearly enough to understand  

Yes that's correct.I always see lead in front of the clay not beside it so I see the same distance on all skeet birds apart from high 1 and low 7.

Chippy

 

[Hamster]

If I see four foot of lead on station four I'd miss in front by 2.5 foot ! Perception is reality - to the shooter.

 

[Will Hewland]

Yes that's correct.I always see lead in front of the clay not beside it so I see the same distance on all skeet birds apart from high 1 and low 7.

Chippy

My head hurts now!