High Combs

[ips]

trouble is some of us are traditionalists and don't want the look of an adj or something else to play with.

analogy

you go to Hugo boss shop for a suit, you want to try a few jackets on in order to get the perfect fit, after all this is a top end suit. Tailor says we only import a size 38" sir but don't let that put you off buying it as you can always take it straight to the seemstress shop down the road and have it butchered I mean altered. Go on sir "suits you sir"

you just wouldn't would you. But 6k guns such as an 11 are offered in one off the shelf size !!!!

 

[CharlesP]

Your tailoring analogy seems spot on, ips. I particularly like your choice of Hugo Boss - supplier of uniforms to the Nazis Party! Of course, clothing does have adjustments - shoelaces, waistband adjusters etc, but the properly tailored suit fits you perfectly all over and you keep going back if it doesn't.

The whole business of over-the-counter gun fit seems to make little sense. The big firms supply expensive guns that are designated as "Trap" or "Sporter" or "Game", and yet they appear to be relatively bad at choosing dimensions that are adequate for Mr Average. In their defence they do make a stab at adjustments for length of pull - just look at the range of pads available from Beretta, all manner of thicknesses and bunginess and slipperiness. But comb height hasn't really been cracked. You either put up with what you get (which doesn't fit), get a gun with  an adjustable comb (which is ugly, clonky, and costs a fortune to boot), or rely on a stick-on thing, which isn't the answer of choice. Or you go down the "Ok, we'll bend your stock" route, which in the case of raising the comb will raise the heel even more.

Maybe I'll buy a try-gun from Holt's auction and use that!

 

[jwpzx9r]

Agree on both counts Ian but the economics of the gun manufacturing industry makes fitting a stock that is medial a reality. Which is why I said you would be mad to buy an expensive gun off the shelf that the gunsmith would not alter for you either at no cost or very reasonable cost and also why adjustable stocks are so very common these days. I still think what Beretta were offering down here last year with their guns was incredibly good marketing I saw the advert in the FFBT magazine. The stock was made CNC and finished by hand . I have an estimate to have a custom stock made locally but cannot drag myself to part with the cash, Scottish gene kicks in . Mainly because I shoot quit well with the stock that is on the gun and is nice wood. But more than that I don't want to be disappointed after spending €1100 to find it A makes no difference or B I find myself hankering to try the old one again if I hit a bad patch... and then shoot well finding myself with a stock that fits me ... and no body else! I can afford one and know money is there to be spent but I find I really need a very good reason to want to spend it.

 

[ips]

exactly Charles.

why don't dealers stock lets say a dt11 in trap and have four different stocks to choose from, you get an "almost" or indeed perfect fit with no seamstress required. Job done

 

[PhilR]

If you look at the Miroku website you'll see that the MK38 sporter, MK70 and MK60 all have different comb drop dimensions for their particular stock.

Whether you could get an MK60 stock swapped and put on a 38 or 70 prior to purchase is a moot point.

 

[ips]

John I see your point but to continue with my analogy its like buying a boss suit with elasticated sides, yes it fits and is functional but considering thee cost of such a high end whistle it is somewhat offensive to the eye. If the tailor had a few jackets to match the trousers you would be laughing

 

[jwpzx9r]

John I see your point but to continue with my analogy its like buying a boss suit with elasticated sides, yes it fits and is functional but considering thee cost of such a high end whistle it is somewhat offensive to the eye. If the tailor had a few jackets to match the trousers you would be laughing

Funny thing is Ian down here a lot of shooters think they, adjustable stocks, are trick stylish and not an offence to the eye... you could also add fashionable to the list... in a similar way to which high rib trap guns are, although I have yet to see any of the top shooters down here using a high rib gun don't know about the UK as I have never ever shot trap or any clay targets there. I must plan a holiday to stand in a howling rain laden wind to shoot trap only kidding... about the conditions I am sure there are some very good days too. 

 

[ips]

first off no there are not any good days in blighty.

fashionable you say, like those pants that chavs wear showing there fake Armani boxers, that sort of fashion yeah ??

 

[Sian]

trouble is some of us are traditionalists and don't want the look of an adj or something else to play with.

analogy

you go to Hugo boss shop for a suit, you want to try a few jackets on in order to get the perfect fit, after all this is a top end suit. Tailor says we only import a size 38" sir but don't let that put you off buying it as you can always take it straight to the seemstress shop down the road and have it butchered I mean altered. Go on sir "suits you sir"

you just wouldn't would you. But 6k guns such as an 11 are offered in one off the shelf size !!!!

I had the opposite feeling when considering how to raise my comb.  Please bear in mind my stock is cheap so nothing special in that regard but to me I could not bear the idea of adding wood to her or having her played about with.  I just thought adjustable stock, no other wood added to it, all her and I can continue my shooting journey.  Maybe that is weird, maybe I should not speak out loud.mmm.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I had the opposite feeling when considering how to raise my comb.  Please bear in mind my stock is cheap so nothing special in that regard but to me I could not bear the idea of adding wood to her or having her played about with.  I just thought adjustable stock, no other wood added to it, all her and I can continue my shooting journey.  Maybe that is weird, maybe I should not speak out loud.mmm.

Nothing weird about it at all Sian. Perrazi will actually make you a made to measure stock... with adjustability if you want it. Nothing stays the same for ever and people can get a bit heavier  or the can lose weight, they can develop back pain or neck pain which a higher comb might eleveate. The thing is its up to the individual to think about what is best for them. One guy I shoot with decided he needed a higher comb ... much higher. So he had a Perazzi adjuster fitted to his gun and bought a rib raiser. He is happy his gun looks good and I defy anybody to tell he has a  carbon fibre magnetic rib raiser without very close inspection his gun just looks more like a Perazzi MX2005 now.

 

[ips]

  Maybe that is weird, maybe I should not speak out loud.mmm.

Your just weird sian :smile:

Only kidding each to there own and I see your point

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Back in the day of the 682X, I think pre-92 or so, Beretta had four different height MC stocks and three or four different for the straight comb.  They were color coded with a paint dot in the inletting - green, yellow, white, and red.  I don't remember the height for the different colors and I've tried to find out but no one seems to know and only the people at Rich Cole Beretta even remember they existed.

 

[Salopian]

Charles P first of all you need to know what stock dimensions you require !

Then the journey can begin.

 

[CharlesP]

Salopian, you're quite right of course. That part of the jigsaw is in progress, help and advice is in progress locally, you can probably work out the source of it from my location. I have my own ideas about some of it, I'm a little surprised by some components, but we have made a positive start. It's a multi-facetted campaign, I'm going to see my optician next week with some tweaking in mind - eye dominance has reared its ugly head and I wast to knock on the head any possibility that my vision is in any way defective.

I'm a bit surprised that nobody has mentioned heel height, pitch at heel, or cast as yet...

 

[bisondan]

This is the reason why I had an Ergosign fully adjustable stock slapped on the end of my Blaser.

 

[Michael]

An off the shelf MK38 trap gun (fixed stock) is fractionally low in the comb for me (sporting) Browning Pro Trap is about bang on. EVERY beretta sporter I've ever picked up it too low by miles. 

Interesting, i have recently given up my silver pig in favour of a browning 725. The beretta comb height  being to low, I could'nt get on with it at all.

 

[CharlesP]

After all those very hepful comments I wandered along to my local Gun Emporium and discovered that what I want (a comb that fits me on a sporter) isn't available off the shelf without going down the adjustable route. The gentleman suggested I needed rather more than a stock bending session may safely provide, and suggested that additional wood applied to the comb would simply devalue the gun.

He did, however, have a used sporter that had been modified by the addition of a trap stock. It felt good, but I didn't shoot it. This was a Miroku, a MK38. No, he said, I can't order an MK38 with a Trap stock.

I am awaiting an answer from another RFD as to the possibility of ordering this combination.

Apart from Salopian's observation that I have yet to receive the professionally calculated specification for a stock (which I do see as being very important) what would the down-side of a sporter with a trap stock?

 

[Deleted member 230]

Check out tom Tristan's posts in the recent purchase picture thread in general shooting . page 7. Mk38 sporter with browning adjustable trap stock .new from dealer.

 

[Mike]

Check out tom Tristan's posts in the recent purchase picture thread in general shooting . page 7. Mk38 with browning adjustable trap stock .new from dealer.

I know of Miroku/Browning guns which have a non-standard stock/fore-end fitted from new.

 

[RobertBeard]

Browning, Miroku and Winchester brochures

Looking at the Miroku catalogue you can buy the MK38 in a variety of qualities and configurations.