You have concrete evidence of Your gun shooting 30,000 plus shells and being reliable, excellent reliability, but that is your experience and opinion of one gun. Show me the stats of the entire production run compared to other makes and models and your very sweeping statement would carry a little more weight.Seen MK38s with tens of thousands through them without missing a beat, 682s the same, brownings, blaser, P and K guns whatever you like to specify, also seen and heard some horror stories of all of them.I guess my point is, it is a very definitive statement based on the build quality and reliability of one example of the marque that you have experienced. Its like an exit poll at an election only asking one person which way they voted
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Fuzzy my friend, come down out of that tree and listen. DT10's are not the most reliable gun in the world and are regarded as over-priced bits of machine made tat by lots of people. They are a triumph of the art of marketing and if you don't believe me watch what happens to the DT11. I know where there are an awful lot of DT10's for not much over two grand and they remain unsold because there are still too expensive. At twelve or fifteen hundred quid they would be a reasonable buy - if you could find a good one. But then, who would buy one in preference to a grade five Miroku? Don't be taken in by the marketing hype, just because a gun is priced at over six grand it doesn't mean its actually worth it. But then, a secondhand 686 from the 1980's for £750 is a bargain.
That is excactly my point Ian. Chipper is making a very definitive statement on his experience of one gun from the production run. If the DT10 is the best and most reliable gun on the market why is Beretta even thinking about launching the DT11? Yep your right again marketing,and knowing there are people out there that will buy them in the thousands just because they have to have the newest model to shoot better. I will be sticking to my MK38 grd1 thanks very much, I'm positive it will outlast me. Mrs Fuzzys 686s from the 80s will almost certainly do the same /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif Happy Xmas mate, and keep adding the water /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif
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Clynt
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I think the reason for the DT11 may just be to revamp sales, action looks quite similar to DT10 and believe the barrels are lighter, to achieve a better balance, the stock looks more sporter-rized narrower in the grip and has a fair negative pitch ....mind I hav'ent shot one so I'm just surmising but at around £6k is there a market for just another gun ?as for guns and their reliability to shells fired ratio the winchester 101 sp and it's replacement the world class 6500 stand up there with anything put 150,000 + through my 32" 6500 trap with out ever having it serviced and the only problem I encountered was a ejector snapping and 50,000 of those shots were 32g.....the old girl is still in the cupboard ,and I use it as a template for all my guns for measurements. bought it at DJ Litts for £800 new....../wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif with a trap stock and just knocked the top off the comb till it was righthave looked for many years for another one but you very rarely see any second hand ?? dose this mean it was a gun for life and who ever owns one will never sell it ?
I want a 6500 Trap 32"cher in my cabinet /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif, loved my Browning XS Trap but sold it as use the 682e more. If anyone could be accused of model mania it would be Browning surely. B25, B125, then 325, 425, 525 /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif, Citori, XS, Cynergy, GTS, Heritage, Ultra, GTi even, what's that, injection?/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif
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My brothers k80 shot to the left on the one barrel and high on the other,trouble is he didn't pattern test it till it was to late,and had lost faith in himself and the gun by then
Clynt
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I believe that the K80's top barrel is the one that you need to set up to shoot where you want it (and that normally means seeing alot of rib) and then you can adjust the bottom barrel by what ever means you can ????but why you ever need floating barrels on a gun meant to be used for sporting is beyond me ? sales gimmick ? the accuracy and tolerance putting those barrels into the action must be spot on. and it may not be on so many of them !! surely the guns should be test fired at the plate before being put out for sale, can remember early brownings coming out of the box with pattern sheets for the gun /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif would be interesting to hear views from any one regarding where their K80's shoot on the pattern plate, and how and if they got over it......
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mmm calm down Fuz, it is my opinion, but ive had MK38's, 682 gold, 682 gold e, DT10, brownings etc etc now a K80, just think if the DT10 was a steady gun on the floppy droppy targets it would be the tool for me, your just on your high horse about what you believe /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif... i now own a K80 and hope it last the distance, but as i said i can not see where the price difference is between it and the DT10..../wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif
Never been on a high horse in my life, if I cant touch the ground either side with both feet I'm not interested. Been thinking about joining the hunt but I think they would frown on my shetland pony /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif Possibly a tad too much port last night and a banging head this morning put me in a sour mood /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-yell.gif Your opinion is noted and although I disagree we will have to agree to differ /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-kiss.gif on the sloe gin fizzies tonight which always lighten my spirits /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif Chin chin and a merry christmas to you Chipper /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif
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Economies of scale quite simply. Beretta are a huge manufacturer, they make all sorts of sporting and some military guns, they are also meant to be the oldest company in the world. It's pointless getting into an argument about which is the more reliable or well made as quite frankly it's impossible to establish a affair criteria. Perazzi, Beretta, Krieghoff, some Brownings, maybe even the likes of Blaser could have a say. Don't forget the Americans make one or two guns built for longevity. Krieghoffs cost a lot because they are low volume specialist guns.
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Merry Xmas to you also Fuzrat /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif like the sloe gin also, enjoy the new year and hope shooting goes well, i will probabaly be putting me spuds in the allotment come spring with me K80 . /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif
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Up until a week or so ago when a friend of both myself and clynt mentioned he thought his K80 was shooting to a different place, I had never experienced the problem, or heard of it, and bearing in mind a work with a good few K80 shooters now I don't think it Is a common problem.I'm not sure how it was resolved but I suggested a call to Alan Rhone who has more knowledge of the guns than anyone, and is always happy to help sort anything out for his customers.I have had a couple of different tubes- my first lot a 30" sporter set then as I got bigger went to the old fashioned 32" with the big chokes. Other than getting my stock set how I like it, I have never needed to change hangers or do any work on the barrels. I steep clear of pattern plates in general as it is very easy to make the gun shoot where you want, and it is easy to misinterpret the results.I do all my setting up work on a straight trap bird and a straight incomer. I'm always happy to have a chat with anyone who has/is thinking of shooting a K80 as I believe they are the best bits of kit out there, and when you shoot them right you will never want another gun for the rest of your life. If I can help someone enjoy there K80 as much as I have enjoyed mine then all it will cost you is a cup o tea!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to everyone.Ed thank you for your wonderful offer of a K80 for the price of a cup of tea.Typhoo or Earl Grey??/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gifThat's probably what a K80 is worth.By the way, Hamster are you the worse for wear????" The reason that Krieghoffs are so expensive is because they are low volume production"Get real man, they are mass produced and we are ripped off by marketing hype.
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EdSolomons
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Tetleys, milk no sugar, nice and strong.Merry Christmas!
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by far the best gun on the market when it is set up correctly, this includes being re-balanced (as all guns need) and shot with the correct technique. I have probably shot more cartridges through a krieghoff than anyone else in country, anyone who is finding life difficult with one please mail me through my website and im happy to help. ben husthwaite
ase 90
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Ive just changed to a k80 and i love it .no tweekin or finding it shoots high, low or what ever.first time out and shot a n easy 83, fluffed one stand at westfield and that killad my card.I cant tell you all how fab this gun is.
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That sounds good, the mark of a good gun isn't whether or not it fits like the proverbial glove, how fast it handles /wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif or patterns a perfect 60/40. It is purely whether it is an EASY gun to score highly with. Good guns seem to shoot themselves and don't seem to need to be driven all the time.
ase90,Enlighten us a little more please, you have had an ase90 & a DT10, what is so noticeably good about the K80?I have heard from a few people who have them that it has given them an extra target or two.I have also heard from many that they just could not get to grips with them and sold them very quickly and went back to their old make of gun.It will be interesting to see if the romance lasts and your shooting continues to improve.I wish all the very best, may your good form continue.
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Thanks for the concern Fuzrat.the shop in question will Never get my trade again as they sold me a gun with a bottom barrel choke problem,then said this was not their problem,then with firm ground i asked for it to go to Alan rhones to be sorted,(it did)the bottom barrel was re reemed.I can only say the words .Fibbin cheetinand a bunch of monkeys,may the shop fall in to a large hole and then i will sh*t on them.On the other note from Salopian,yes the dt10 was great to shoot, no palm swell 32inch barrels and a fast gun,The ASE90 on the other hand was totaly different,30'3/4 inch barrels palm swell wide stock,and glides like silk through the air.That is a gun.But the k80 seems to as the ASE but just a bit more.+iwanted the gold scroll for the patterning,this for me IS my gun./wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif
