Keyless entry...!!!

[Jayzeable]

Absolutely locked myself a few nights ago.

I was 1.5 hours away from home when I was accidentally locked out of my own VW Golf GTD at Park Lodge....

Had to call the GF, to bring the spare key, with the the full aunturage consisting of: 1x17YO, 1x4YO and 1x3YO who seem to be very excited at the fact dad was one of the last persons in the whole carpark.

Anyway, I’d walked up to the car, opened the boot, put my gear in the boot, closed and walked off for a cuppa tea...

Returned for another round but couldn’t gain entry as my key was in my cartridge bag, on the other side of the boot wall.

Absolute bummer:

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[Cosmicblue]

Odd - all the Audi' I have had (many - and same camp as the VW) won't lock if the key is in the car - even my current RSQ3 with 'the Advanced Key option' which doesn't even have an ignition switch on the steering column.

Maybe the cartridge bag and all that lead/brass created a shield that the RF signals couldn't penetrate so let you lock the keys in the car...

 

[Finners]

I've got a newish (2016) Audi A6 allroad. If I use the remote to open to boot (on it's own) the doors do not get unlocked. Close the boot down with the key in my hand inches from the car, and it's locked, so I'm pretty sure if I left my key on the boot floor and shut the boot, I'd be locked out. 

 

[schmokinn]

Even if i locked the key in my Toerag it would open on the door button after a couple of pulls/pushes?

 

[MartynB]

My Scooby Outback , also will not lock if the key is in the vehicle . Having said that it has a handy little trick called “swimming  mode “ or some other similar silly name . If you wrap the key in tinfoil to cover the RF chip you can hide the key in the car whilst you go swimming or wade fishing  , and  lock and unlock the boot using a tapped in code on the boot release button . It’s so clever in fact  , that I’ll never try it for fear of getting locked out 

 

[FloodDefence]

I've got a newish (2016) Audi A6 allroad. If I use the remote to open to boot (on it's own) the doors do not get unlocked. Close the boot down with the key in my hand inches from the car, and it's locked, so I'm pretty sure if I left my key on the boot floor and shut the boot, I'd be locked out. 

It will most certainly lock, ask me how I know, luckily enough I was still at home when it happened so getting the spare key was not a problem. I now have a Saab and when you unlock just the boot using the fob it remains unlocked for a short time after you close it again, which is handy should you realise your mistake soon enough, yup it seems to be somewhat of a habit of mine

 

[Finners]

Oddly, I know the car does detect the key being out of the car. ie Sometimes when my Wife takes the key to open the post box, she's only a step or two outside the car, but a warning and light comes on in the dash. It says something like "Key outside of car?" So the car does know where the key is, but it still locks the boot as mentioned above 

 

[chippy]

Absolutely locked myself a few nights ago.

I was 1.5 hours away from home when I was accidentally locked out of my own VW Golf GTD at Park Lodge....

Had to call the GF, to bring the spare key, with the the full aunturage consisting of: 1x17YO, 1x4YO and 1x3YO who seem to be very excited at the fact dad was one of the last persons in the whole carpark.

Anyway, I’d walked up to the car, opened the boot, put my gear in the boot, closed and walked off for a cuppa tea...

Returned for another round but couldn’t gain entry as my key was in my cartridge bag, on the other side of the boot wall.

Absolute bummer:

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Thanks for the info . just checked and my Skoda does exactly the same. 

 

[westley]

If I have to use the 2nd key, the Sat. Nav. screams     "Yer NOT lettin er drive, are you "  ?    Something to do with the electric seat recognition or summat !

 

[Nimbusgb]

Keyless entry....... a solution to a problem that never existed and a security hole you can drive a buss through.

Work of the devil ( or some fresh from UNI grads student who is probably now head of product development )

 

[Westward]

Keyless entry....... a solution to a problem that never existed and a security hole you can drive a buss through.

I have to agree. Only a techie with zero life experience could have come up such an idiotic system.

A simple switch on the keyfob to turn off the transmitter and the option to disable the stupid buttons on the doors would fix some of the security issues and a software patch to prevent the car being driven away if the keyfob isn't in the car would help too.

 

[Cosmicblue]

I believe the majority of modern cars have a transponder chip embedded in the key itself that has to 'sense' a receiver in the steering column so simply having a key that fits won't guarantee being able to start the engine and drive away.  Most people don't even realise such technology exists already and is 'mainstream'.

 

[Westward]

Keys aren't needed for anything unless the fob battery runs down. One of the big security flaws with keyless tech is that the fob permanently emits a signal that the car recognizes. There are devices available that amplify the signal, even if the fob is inside the house and which provide enough signal strength to both open the car using the door button and to start the engine. Anyone can then drive the car away without the fob. Once the robbers have the car they can hook up to the onboard computer and encode a new fob. Bingo!

 

[Hamster]

Keys aren't needed for anything unless the fob battery runs down. One of the big security flaws with keyless tech is that the fob permanently emits a signal that the car recognizes. There are devices available that amplify the signal, even if the fob is inside the house and which provide enough signal strength to both open the car using the door button and to start the engine. Anyone can then drive the car away without the fob. Once the robbers have the car they can hook up to the onboard computer and encode a new fob. Bingo!

Not nekkekkarily, any half decent modern day "keyless go" needs the key inside the car for it to be driven away. In the old days when Renault first introduced these to mainstream cars (top of the range Merc were first I believe but out of reach of the masses) you could indeed find yourself unable to re-start the car if for example you'd dropped off your spouse at home and told them you'd be back in 10 minutes after filling up with fuel   if the key happened to leave the car with them ! 

Keyless entry....... a solution to a problem that never existed and a security hole you can drive a buss through.

Work of the devil ( or some fresh from UNI grads student who is probably now head of product development )

Keyless is a much misunderstood concept in my (car dealer) experience, configurations and parameters differ greatly from make to make and in fact from model to model within the same manufacturer, for example you may find only the top of the range versions will enable you to both lock/unlock the cars doors and boot without having to touch the fob itself. My current car will start the car via the  start button but will not drive without the key present, neither will I be able to accidentally lock the key inside because I need the key itself for that function. I have known more upmarket versions where doors/boot can be unlocked/locked using discreet buttons on the cars exterior but they also had the functionality of disallowing the key from being locked in the car itself. 

I personally wouldn't want to go back to the old days because 1) to not have to fumble around for the key and insert it into a hole is a great convenience and 2) when you have a car that flips the boot open upon a certain action such as placing your foot under the boot, is, again very convenient if you have lots of shopping or shooting related stuff which you don't want to place on a muddy or wet ground. 

 

[Westward]

I confess that I haven't tried driving mine without the fob in the car but it'll certainly start with the fob outside. Also I've tried walking away with the fob and the engine just keeps on running. I have the little buttons on both front doors and I use them too but mostly to save the battery in fob.

The boot release only unlocks the boot but the door buttons open everything.

Some of the top end cars may have some fancypants tricks but I find it all a bit fiddly with little or no gain

 

[Maca]

I did a similar thing with my Volvo V70.  On my way to work I stopped at a shop for a sandwich but had some other rubbish in the car so chucked it in the bin outside the shop.  Got my sandwich and went to get in the car but no key.  Damn, I thought I must've been holding it with the rubbish and chucked it in the public bin.  Lady in the shop gave me some gloves and I went through that trash with a fine tooth combe but no key.  Looked at the back seat and saw I'd dropped the key on the back seat while picking up the rubbish. 

The lock works by disengaging the handle so its perfectly possible to lock the doors with them open and when you shut the door (with the keys inside like I did) you will lock them in the car. 

Anyway, my wife was over the moon when I phoned her at 06:30am to bring the spare key...with the 3 year old and 5 year old in tow.  They thought it was great they were going to rescue daddy but my colleagues weren't so impressed with the whiff of trash in the office that day.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Keyless entry....... a solution to a problem that never existed and a security hole you can drive a buss through.

Work of the devil ( or some fresh from UNI grads student who is probably now head of product development )

I can find no objection to the above.  I confess to being a Selective Luddite when it comes to "improvements" many times.  I'm currently faced with the necessary prospect of a new car and wondering how many of the now necessary for sales toys that I can disable without disabling the use of the vehicle.  Reading some of the promo crap it sounds like the car needs a dossier on the driver loaded to the internal system before it will cooperate with use.  I wonder if I can lie to it or if it verifies the data on its own link to the 'net.  I suppose next  it will call the police if I violate any traffic laws and get some kinda software upgrade as a reward.  If AI's are patterned after people we're all in some deep excrement.