Mobil chokes. Keep or change?

[AW13]

Just a quick question.   You hear that some manufacturer's chokes delivered with your new gun are less than precise.   Are Mobil chokes reliable or should I change them for Briley or Teaque? 

Thanks

 

[westley]

Just a quick question.   You hear that some manufacturer's chokes delivered with your new gun are less than precise.   Are Mobil chokes reliable or should I change them for Briley or Teaque? 

Thanks

Although I have never patterned them, I did have some experience of Teague versus Mobil standard choke. I had used the Mod. or 1/2  mobil standard flush choke in my 391 auto for everything for a number of years. I then bought a secondhand Teague Mod extended choke and stuck it in the gun. I did find that clays were getting dusted more than previously, not just broken, but DUSTED.  I was then shooting pigeons over decoys at aprox 25 to 30 yards range and I was almost plucking them. I then obtained another used Teague extended choke in Lt. Mod. or 3/8th and changed the choke in my gun for that. That was still dusting clays but not plucking pigeons so much. I also shot a Miroku O/U multichoke gun and exchanged the standard chokes for Briley extended in either I/C x 2  or 3/8 (lt. mod.) x 2, they also seemed to pattern tighter than the standard chokes. I now shoot a Browning with the DS chokes, but they seem to be doing the job ( 2 x I/C) so I am leaving well enough alone. As I said, I never like to pattern my guns and just rely on my own observations, be they right or wrong ! 

 

[schmokinn]

The only people saying the gun manufacturers chokes are no good are the people trying to sell you aftermarket chokes or people that have already been mugged.

Do you believe that a manufacturer would spend a fortune on R&D just to stick something in the end of the barrel substandard?

Teague do long and short chokes,flush,extended and super extended and also ported for some models!

At the very best some may be 0.000001% better and all the guff about porting killing muzzle flip and stripping wads is just BS.

This is based on personal experience,i have tried Rhino,Comp-n-Choke,Angleport,Pure Gold,Briley ,Teague and the ultimate sh*te aftermarket choke that doesn't even come up to the manufacturers spec....the pile of sh*te Muller!!

 

[Will Hewland]

Wisely, Blaser fit Brileys as standard, so the aftermarket thing is already there. I feel the brileys are slightly tight to usual. I'm using 1/4 and 1/4 to good effect even on very long stuff.

 

[westley]

Wisely, Blaser fit Brileys as standard, so the aftermarket thing is already there. I feel the brileys are slightly tight to usual. I'm using 1/4 and 1/4 to good effect even on very long stuff.

Thank you Will  !    I have said that for a number of years, just got fed up being shot down in flames. Still, at least we KNOW the truth ! 

 

[Will Hewland]

Thank you Will  !    I have said that for a number of years, just got fed up being shot down in flames. Still, at least we KNOW the truth ! 

Just looked at my patterning notes (photos). My briley 1/4 in the Blaser gives a TINY bit larger spread than my Perazzi 1/2 did with the same cartridge, but I'm talking 1/2" at 15 yards. So, the same really..

 

[chippy]

I measured some briley optima chokes  and the skeet ones were 13 thou  they should be around 5 thou. And 3/8 or light modified were 23 thou. They should be around 15 thou.

 

[AW13]

Hmm.  It will be interesting to see how they fair just by using my shooting estimate.   I have a bore laser which I will test POA with, leaving factory settings for the stock.  Then fire off 2 or 3 boxes to bed it in and get used to it before I change anything.  Don't  really want to mess with the shims unless I have to.

As for the choke,  think I will keep the Mobil chokes in there for the first 1000 or so and then reevaluate unless I can't hit anything with it.  After all I can't believe the Beretta group would use poor quality chokes. I will start off with IC and see what happens!

Thanks for the advice. 

 

[Paul120]

I measured some briley optima chokes  and the skeet ones were 13 thou  they should be around 5 thou. And 3/8 or light modified were 23 thou. They should be around 15 thou.

Peter Aliss the golfer said somethig similar..X brand claimed that you could hit x yards longer with their clubs and everyone was raving about them. Pros were a bit suspicious and measured the loft. Basically they had reduced the loft slightly so say a club marked 7 was more like a 6;  Mystery solved.

Just because it says 1/4  as you point out, in reality it could be much more.

 

[chippy]

Brilliant marketing though. The next thing will be someone putting a picture of a world champion on a box of cartridges and charging £100 a thou more for them.

 

[westley]

Hmm.  It will be interesting to see how they fair just by using my shooting estimate.   I have a bore laser which I will test POA with, leaving factory settings for the stock.  Then fire off 2 or 3 boxes to bed it in and get used to it before I change anything.  Don't  really want to mess with the shims unless I have to.

As for the choke,  think I will keep the Mobil chokes in there for the first 1000 or so and then reevaluate unless I can't hit anything with it.  After all I can't believe the Beretta group would use poor quality chokes. I will start off with IC and see what happens!

Thanks for the advice. 

Just an interesting little point regarding 'bore lasers'. One of my shooting buddies is obsessed by his belief that he needs a 'high' stock on his guns. I eventually persuaded him to part with an adjustable comb stock (the worst thing that a 'fiddler' could possibly have !) for his current 30" sporter. Straight away he was convinced the stock was too low, even though he was hitting everything with the gun. Anyway he turns up on Wednesday with a 'Blue Peter Stock'. Bits of rubber and tape stuck all over the highly figured wood. It transpires that he had bought one of these 'Bore Lasers' and according to that thing he was shooting low. Now I happen to know that he 'dry' mounts his gun in a totally different manner,  to that when shooting at a moving target. However I said nothing and just let him get on with it.  On the last occasion that we shot this layout, (Sporting) he shot a respectable 79/100. After we finished the course, he had shot a 51/100. He was, on average, a foot over everything he shot at. I first saw one of these wonderful laser things quite a few years ago at a Midlands based gun shop and I was less than impressed then, my thoughts on them remains unchanged ! 

 

[EdSolomons]

Bore lazer on shotgun = total waste of time

 

[AW13]

Ed and Westley...... thanks for the candid responses. I agree and only use it as a comparison between guns.  And initially to see what my natural mount is doing.  I do like a narrow comb and a straight stock hence Beretta don't seem to work for me whereas the Miroku and Remington do as I get respectable scores with them.  The Benelli will be interesting,  also has a narrower comb. 

 

[jwpzx9r]

I think that different choke manufactures products will give a different pattern to be fair. I have fixed chokes in my Perazzi and I think that Perazzi may well have some what tighter choke definition than some other manufacturers. My gun is choked 6 and 10 and I very often vaporize first barrel targets and I am what I would term a slow shooter so they are a bit further out than most when I shoot them.

 

[balltrap]

I think that different choke manufactures products will give a different pattern to be fair. I have fixed chokes in my Perazzi and I think that Perazzi may well have some what tighter choke definition than some other manufacturers. My gun is choked 6 and 10 and I very often vaporize first barrel targets and I am what I would term a slow shooter so they are a bit further out than most when I shoot them.




 

was it the choke or was it the cartridge

 

[jwpzx9r]

was it the choke or was it the cartridge

Definitely the choke I have use loads of different cartridges through my gun and the results are the same to be honest... of course all those different cartridges may be the same ??

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Shot a round of UT today of 22  and 20 were first barrel disappearing jobs... I was using the very cheap and cheerful Jocker 28LA

 

[balltrap]

Definitely the choke I have use loads of different cartridges through my gun and the results are the same to be honest... of course all those different cartridges may be the same ??




 

Then we will never know :lol:

 

[jwpzx9r]

One could conclude that my particular gun is very cartridge friendly and throws a fairly tight pattern what ever I stuff into the thing. I don't think though that my gun is unique in throwing tight patterns I have talked to other Perazzi owners who say similar about their own gun.

 

[Doctor Lecter]

choke is a standard calibrated  engineering measurement   ,   how can they be different ?      cartridges could make a difference yes  albeit  only slight .    many of us on this forum are not good enough shots  to notice any benefit  ,  only in our heads.  !!