Notification of Transfer or Disposal

[Finners]

Blimey, it's simple. All you have to do when you purchase, sell, give or lend a shotgun is inform your local firearms licensing department in writing. That's it. What the police do from there on is their business, you've fulfilled your obligations as a certificate holder. Although forces do it differently they don't have to acknowledge your correspondence and nor do you have to chase it up. Just keep proof of your communication with them.

You are missing the point I think. Many have done just what you have said, as oddly enough we know what to do!

BUT the evidence would suggest that FEO's regularly appear unable to retain proper records themselves (read the full thread).

I myself have had a similar issue with West Mids/Staffs, who seemed to think I still owned a shotgun that I'd sold some 12 years previously. So, just how long would you say we should we keep "proof" of the notification and; how do we actually prove that the FOE has both received and recorded the information we send correctly on our records? 

In one sense you're right, ie we should be able to just do "our bit" and forget it. But when there's measurable doubt that the people at the other end (FEO's) can't be relied upon to do their bit, and those same people potentially have the power to cause us problems due to their own ineptitude, then I'd say there's an issue for some concern.   

 

[P1Fanatic]

You are missing the point I think. Many have done just what you have said, as oddly enough we know what to do!

BUT the evidence would suggest that FEO's regularly appear unable to retain proper records themselves (read the full thread).

I myself have had a similar issue with West Mids/Staffs, who seemed to think I still owned a shotgun that I'd sold some 12 years previously. So, just how long would you say we should we keep "proof" of the notification and; how do we actually prove that the FOE has both received and recorded the information we send correctly on our records? 

In one sense you're right, ie we should be able to just do "our bit" and forget it. But when there's measurable doubt that the people at the other end (FEO's) can't be relied upon to do their bit, and those same people potentially have the power to cause us problems due to their own ineptitude, then I'd say there's an issue for some concern.   

Nail on the head. They are stuck in the dark ages especially if as was suggested above that RFD's have software then it should be straightforward enough to port it to a private owner version.

 

[Jan Powell]

You are missing the point I think. Many have done just what you have said, as oddly enough we know what to do!

I'm not so sure. If they did they wouldn't keep asking the same old questions on this website!

Fulfil your obligations as a certificate holder. Leave the rest to the police. If they make a mistake with your records that's for them to resolve. It's all on the NFLMS anyway.

 

[Finners]

I'm not so sure. If they did they wouldn't keep asking the same old questions on this website!

Fulfil your obligations as a certificate holder. Leave the rest to the police. If they make a mistake with your records that's for them to resolve. It's all on the NFLMS anyway.

You'd be right if is it the same people asking the same questions, is it?

In any case, that does not negate the fact that I personally have been questioned by the FEO about a gun I sold some 12 years previously. That casts a reasonable doubt in my mind about the competence of those who have the potential to cause me a great deal of trouble.

If you're not so sure, then so be it.  

 

[Xaphan]

I know two people who have had issues with registration. one person when he moved house. The FEO came round to do an inspection in his new house and asked where the other gun was..... my friend was obviously confused because he only had 1 gun at the time.... it turned out that the department had registered him as having a matched pair of the same gun.

the other person who works in a gun shop was accused of failing to register a sound moderator on a section 1 firearm. The police were pretty heavy handed as well, but luckily he managed to prove that he had indeed registered via email and it was the police at fault and not him.

I have had an issue all be it pretty minor after sending an email to register a shotgun, I asked for a reply and failed to get one. After 7 days of not having any reply I phoned my FEO and asked him if they had received any registration because I hadn't had any conformation that they had received an email and you have to inform them within 7 days by law. After looking on the system he said that they hadn't updated anything on my profile which should have been changed by now and he will chase it up. he asked me to resend him the email to his account.  I does make me wonder what would have happened if I hadn't chased it up but after the issues my friends had I was paranoid.

As said above they have the power to cause us problems because of their incompetence. to say "its for them to sort out" I would say is pretty naive because they will take your guns away if they think you aren't playing by the rules in any way and until the issue is resolved they won't be returned whether its their cock up or not.