Only in Italy !

[Dog Tyred]

Only in Italy. A days coaching for 70 hopeful young Italian shooters with 30 professional shooters from Team Italy

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152798973350682

DT

 

[paul b]

They do make us look like idiots as far as development is concerned. 

 

[Nimbusgb]

I'll bet it didn't cost them £50 for 25 clays either!

 

[V8 90]

Very good - thanks for sharing

 

[chubby]

Excellent thanks

 

[Ferret]

Brilliant share and Paul, how true is your statement?

Too many empire builders who target the "elite groups" but seem to forget the bigger picture........

JMOFWIW

 

[jwpzx9r]

To be fair though this has been organised by Beretta though surely. There is no British gun manufacturer capable of doing this... is there a shooting ground in the UK that could stage such an event knowing that the weather conditions will be favourable. I also think that you have to recognise that trap shooting in Italy is way bigger than almost any other country in the world. I think that overall the UK does OK, in fact better than OK, in trap all things considered if UK trap shooters really want to get to the top though they should move to Italy or some country where the conditions suit the discipline. JMO though.

 

[PhilR]

I think you'll find it'll been organised by FITAV, the Italian federation using their licensed clay target coaches, in conjunction with Beretta and their sponsored shooters.  FITAV during the summer visit schools with the Italian shooting stars to introduce kids to shooting. 

 

[jwpzx9r]

"They do make us look like idiots as far as development is concerned."

Do they really though? To do something like this you need more than just the resources, you need the raw material. What you are seeing here is not the top layer of young Italian trap shooters it is just a few of the many hundreds of young shooters they have to nurture. Lets get one thing out in the open trap shooting is just not popular in the UK the facilities available to the shooters prove this , you do not need to look any further than this fact. I can drive an hour to at least half a dozen grounds that have great OT and UT facilities and the grounds are owned and run by the shooters for the shooters... and France takes OT no where near as seriously as Italy does. You know I live relatively speaking out in the sticks and may be up near Paris or nearer bigger cities the scene is different but I have been shooting trap for almost three years now I am totally self taught and I have never heard the word coach uttered in all the time I have been shooting, yes you get the odd fellow shooter indicating were you "might" have missed but that is it! I have learned more from this forum than I have from a shooting ground "coach" !!

Edit

There is another thread in the trap section on shooting ABT. Is this where we go wrong in the UK wasting time shooting such disciplines instead of concentrating on the "real" world championship disciplines ?? This is not a dig at ABT just a question about the way forward if indeed trap shooters perceive the need to make a way forward for UK trap shooting.

 

[ips]

Some very valid points by John. I understand that Italy has ot and apart from the odd ut that's it, no dtl equivalent for new shooters to get distracted by also as John points out shooting is big in Italy with no stigma to shooting and shooters as we have to endure in UK therefore there really is little if any comparison to be made.

Anyone who thinks shooting in UK will ever be considered anything other than a niche Sport Is deluded imo

 

[ips]

Re abt

John abt was always considered to be a domestic discipline yes France is its true home but no international or world championship comps that I am aware of. Abt used to be a stepping stone to ot a discipline that you cut your teeth on so to speak or a discipline that you stayed with now I'd course for many reasons things have changed but with the lack of any were to shoot ot and of Course the changes in ot gb selection proceedure then abt is or rather could once again be a great discipline. I hear rumours of abt being taken to greater things so let's hope this is correct.

 

[PhilR]

"They do make us look like idiots as far as development is concerned."

Do they really though? To do something like this you need more than just the resources, you need the raw material. What you are seeing here is not the top layer of young Italian trap shooters it is just a few of the many hundreds of young shooters they have to nurture. Lets get one thing out in the open trap shooting is just not popular in the UK the facilities available to the shooters prove this , you do not need to look any further than this fact. I can drive an hour to at least half a dozen grounds that have great OT and UT facilities and the grounds are owned and run by the shooters for the shooters... and France takes OT no where near as seriously as Italy does. You know I live relatively speaking out in the sticks and may be up near Paris or nearer bigger cities the scene is different but I have been shooting trap for almost three years now I am totally self taught and I have never heard the word coach uttered in all the time I have been shooting, yes you get the odd fellow shooter indicating were you "might" have missed but that is it! I have learned more from this forum than I have from a shooting ground "coach" !!

Edit

There is another thread in the trap section on shooting ABT. Is this where we go wrong in the UK wasting time shooting such disciplines instead of concentrating on the "real" world championship disciplines ?? This is not a dig at ABT just a question about the way forward if indeed trap shooters perceive the need to make a way forward for UK trap shooting.

ABT with 75m targets, 45 degree angles and the full range of heights from 1.5 to 3.5 metres is tough shooting and is good preparation for shooting OT and UT, it is also an economic 'fast' trap discipline to install.

A form of ABT may well appear with European and World Championships.  The ISSF no longer supports Automatic Trap which is pretty much ABT but with 24gm cartridges and it's possible that another governing body will take it on and promote it.

 

[ips]

Absolutely Phil and that 45 is more like 55 from 1 and 5 so phew that's a tough target. Was talking to our mutual friend last week we both agreed that in many Ways abt is in reality harder than ot.

I love abt as i know you Do Phil and wouldn't an international stage for it be fantastic.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Well Phil and Ian you guys are way more experienced than me when it come to any matters shooting let there be no doubt ... but to this shooter at least the problem with ABT is that it not a fair discipline, nobody shoots the same targets, in fact it can be a very unfair discipline. I don't dispute the reasons for shooting it but I have shot rounds where nearly half the targets were the equivalent of straight aways while during the same round some other poor B got extreme rights and lefts ! How an you compare the scores?

 

[PhilR]

Luck of the draw, it doesn't bother me what targets other shooters get.  I'm only intent on shooting the target I'm ready to call for, the rest are either history or in the future.

 

[ips]

John you are correct targets are indeed random and theoretically you could get harder targets than your mate however over a two hundred comp the laws of probability I expect even things out close enough. The random aspect is imo part of the attraction it's a bit like helice in as much as it's closer to the live pigeon disciplines which as we all know is were all clay sports derive. A shooter once commented to me that ut and ot are "old man's abt" not saying I agree totally with that especially regarding ot but no doubt about it abt is one demanding discipline for many reasons.

 

[ips]

Not wanting to hijack dt s thread but that's how conversations go sometimes.

I had the honour of witnessing the great Mr ian peel shoot two hundred straight at English open abt in 98 a fabulous achievement and I believe only two ever been done but I stand to be corrected. I was in North of England team at the time we didn't win but it was worth being there just to watch his final line. After his two hundredth target turned to dust a huge eruption of applaud ensued, the abt crowd have always been a great bunch.

no point to the above just thought I would share my memory's.

 

[paul b]

I think your getting hung up on the olympic side to much,in my opinion the commitment needed to go all the way in the olympic disciplines is to intense for most youngsters who will find beer and the other sex before they reach the olympics.But if a number of young shots were helped or mentored by senior team members from there prefered discipline each year the realy good ones will shine through and  selectors could give them a go at the pathway to the olympics.

 

[ips]

+1 Paul

many things can be learned from a good mentor much more than the odd days training camp.