OT cartridges

[Dog Tyred]

Called the Assosiation last night, told them what had happened, got confirmation back from them that although they had talked about adopting the cpsa amendment to allow OT to be shot with 28g by C D U/C classes, they never did adopt it as an amendment. They said they would just treat it as a mistake and scrap the 72/100 from the classifications. No further action nessesary. Shoot 24g at OT if I ever try it again in future.

Thanks Andrew, someone MADE it an issue. My fault, I got it wrong. Won't happen again.

JJ

Very interesting. In this case surely you should have been informed of the 24g requirement when you signed on, or at the very least there should have been a prominent sign on the signing in desk advising of same. Easy mistake to make if you are not used to shooting OT (or Olympic skeet for that matter).

Seems a shame you will loose the result as quite a tidy score for your first go.

As for the knob who made such a big thing of it, well I guess he was right but there are ways of dealing with these things without getting shirty.

Don't let it put you off as you obviously have a flare for it. And most of us trappies are really nice :biggrin:

DT

 

[ips]

It was an honest mistake but strictly speaking the ground owner or manager accepted your request to use 28g so really its there fault not yours. Would have been different if you had turned up and used 28 without saying but you did so all above board as far as I can see.

Bloody trap shooters

 

[ips]

Ian I've used mine a few times now as you know, very nice gun, but to me anyway I really cannot say that it is any better than the DT10 that I used to have. In fact I don't even shoot it any better or worse than my antique 3800!!!! Yes recoil is a bit lower than my 3800 but I can't really say that the 11 recoils a lot less than my 10 used to. As for the breaks, yes they are good, but hand on heart I cannot say that they are lots better than any other gun I've shot over the years! The DT10 as far as I'm concerned was always going to be a hard act to follow! Why don't you try out  DT11, you may like it mate!

would like to have a go with a 30" trap sometime but no way would I chop in either of the 10s

 

[Les53]

would like to have a go with a 30" trap sometime but no way would I chop in either of the 10s

Come down and try mine out, you may like it, I may even sell it to you!!!!

 

[ips]

would like that mate,, apart from the buying bit.

 

[Darkside]

JJ

Very interesting. In this case surely you should have been informed of the 24g requirement when you signed on, or at the very least there should have been a prominent sign on the signing in desk advising of same. Easy mistake to make if you are not used to shooting OT (or Olympic skeet for that matter).

Seems a shame you will loose the result as quite a tidy score for your first go.

As for the knob who made such a big thing of it, well I guess he was right but there are ways of dealing with these things without getting shirty.

Don't let it put you off as you obviously have a flare for it. And most of us are really nice :biggrin:

DT

DT, wasn't the ground to blame, I asked them about the rule change, they thought the same as me, there would have been no harm done if I hadn't been publicly called a "cheat"...I informed the ground before entering I would be shooting 28g, I entered B/O, the ground had seen the cpsa rule change as I had and thought the same applied up here, if SHE had taken me to the side an said she wasn't happy with me shooting 28g then that would have been fine, I would have asked the ground to rip up my card, but mud sticks in this sport, there was 9-10 people present when she accused me of "cheating", I shot the 3 remaining rounds with 24g and contacted the SCTA to 'put my hands up' inform them of my mistake. I'd rather have a score binned and apologise for making a mistake, which was genuine, than keep my mouth shut and let it slip through as a registered score that I had been accused of cheating to achieve!!!

 

[Les53]

DT, wasn't the ground to blame, I asked them about the rule change, they thought the same as me, there would have been no harm done if I hadn't been publicly called a "cheat"...I informed the ground before entering I would be shooting 28g, I entered B/O, the ground had seen the cpsa rule change as I had and thought the same applied up here, if SHE had taken me to the side an said she wasn't happy with me shooting 28g then that would have been fine, I would have asked the ground to rip up my card, but mud sticks in this sport, there was 9-10 people present when she accused me of "cheating", I shot the 3 remaining rounds with 24g and contacted the SCTA to 'put my hands up' inform them of my mistake. I'd rather have a score binned and apologise for making a mistake, which was genuine, than keep my mouth shut and let it slip through as a registered score that I had been accused of cheating to achieve!!!

Firstly, don't worry about it! As far as I know you did what was right, you told the ground, so you did your bit! The ground should have known the rules. Whoever this woman was, she should have gone to a ref and/or the ground owner to lodge a complaint, she should not have shot her mouth off at you. I cannot see that you did anything wrong, the ground did and so did the woman who shot her mouth off! It is just not the way to do things!

 

[Dog Tyred]

DT, wasn't the ground to blame, I asked them about the rule change, they thought the same as me, there would have been no harm done if I hadn't been publicly called a "cheat"...I informed the ground before entering I would be shooting 28g, I entered B/O, the ground had seen the cpsa rule change as I had and thought the same applied up here, if SHE had taken me to the side an said she wasn't happy with me shooting 28g then that would have been fine, I would have asked the ground to rip up my card, but mud sticks in this sport, there was 9-10 people present when she accused me of "cheating", I shot the 3 remaining rounds with 24g and contacted the SCTA to 'put my hands up' inform them of my mistake. I'd rather have a score binned and apologise for making a mistake, which was genuine, than keep my mouth shut and let it slip through as a registered score that I had been accused of cheating to achieve!!!

Very magnanimous of you James. Not sure I would have been quite so gratious to the 'lady'.

As for binning the score? Why? You only shot 1 round with 28g and you were not vying for prize money so at the end of the day it matters not. Its not like any advantage you did obtain (highly suspect) was going to affect your classification so it seems a bit harsh to bin the score completely.

Maybe the ground will put a sign up in future now it has been clarified by the SCTA.

Onwards and downwards

DT

 

[Jay]

Nothing else on other than DTL or OT today, turned up with my usual bag of 28g sporting loads, said, I've never shot this before, I've only got 28g shells, if I can shoot it with these I will give it a bash, I'm sure I read the rules were changed to allow C, D and U/C class to shoot with 28's, eh, aye thing your right, B/O Then please...Shot 20 with 28g, scored for next line, as they finished one asked "who's shooting with 28g?" "Me, I'm unclassified, never shot registered OT before..." "That's cheating!!!" Then a big ugly scene erupted from my accuser. "You better admit what you've done to the Assosiation!!!" Ect, ect.

Woah!!! Hang on, I'm not trying to cheat anyone!! I just wanted to try OT...hang on and I'll go get 24g shells. Ran out of the OT layout, down to the shop, grabbed a slab of 24g 7's, ran back up to the OT layout, tipped out the 28g shells into my bag, stuck a box of 24's in each pocket, walked onto peg 4, loaded the gun and shot a 13. Came off, went a walk, got a card, shot some sporting stands and a line of double rise on my own. Came back once I'd settled a bit and shot 19 20 in the last two lines, if anything, breaks were better with the 24's.

wtf - the guy was clearly a bit of a tube! There are one or two as there are in every discipline so don't let that misunderstanding put you off shooting it again. The 28 grm vs 24 grm is a good argument because there are several reasons why either is advantageous (or not) anyway. 

 

[Darkside]

To be honest, there was so little recoil from the 24g Grand Italia's...they felt a little strange for the first 10 or 12 shots, then I forgot I was shooting with 24g loads. Kills looked as good if not better than the 28's. I don't think it makes much difference through tight chokes!?!?

 

[Paul120]

Please don't let this put you off.. I guess you must of out scored whoever it was or at least worried them enough to be unreasonable. In the circumstance, it's their failings not yours.

 

[BoB1]

Wow, what a ridiculous situation. That is a textbook genuine mistake.

Don't be put off shooting trap, I have only been shooting relatively recently, and have met many more nice people than dicks/dickettes.

 

[Salopian]

James, if you enjoyed the discipline , just put this incident into room 101.

I think life is far too short to get wound up. Next time you see your 'friend' be polite and courteous and wish them all the very best at their parents wedding whenever that may be. In fact give them a box of Clever , they obviously are envious of your ability. Another lesson learned there, don't run around or rush immediately before shooting a line or a stand. If you drop a cartridge whilst loading , leave it , pick it up after you've shot.

 

[Jay]

To be honest, there was so little recoil from the 24g Grand Italia's...they felt a little strange for the first 10 or 12 shots, then I forgot I was shooting with 24g loads. Kills looked as good if not better than the 28's. I don't think it makes much difference through tight chokes!?!?

They're a very good cartridge - comfortable and smooth, and the second barrel kills are as good as the first.