practice before shoot days

[jonz]

Steve,

I think you have missed something, you state that the practice on the day before the competition  "isn't vastly different" therefore its not exactly the same as the competition so its has "changed" and the ground isn't breaking any rules

Its splitting hairs I know but where do you draw the line - 1 stand different 2 stands or all of them?

I know that a lot of the commercial grounds have to make money and opening on a Saturday could bring in some extra £'s but they could also go round at the end of the Saturday change the angles or speeds it doesn't take that much and it makes it fair for all

Just my view

Jonz

 

[Fortis Mark]

Opening up a ground for practice on a Friday or Saturday makes business sense. Better margins not having to pay scorers etc.

Leaving the targets the same for a Reg shoot on the Sunday will be the quickest way to loose credibility as a business / course setter and not in the spirit of the sport.

 

[Irishgunner]

How would it fair out to throw the same birds but the other way around the O.R would be the pull and mixing up sim pairs, even moving a stand a yard can change birds ?

 

[Will Hewland]

Folks, when I say you can't re enter, obviously I mean the competition. Yes, go round again as practice..

 

[Steve Lovatt]

Ok thanks for all the comments another topic that's not gone off on a tangent .

We will not be opening up prior to a shoot but might look to do a few days after a shoot where you can practice or bring a coach along to help . I will keep you posted

Thankyou you all

Steve

 

[Clynt]

No it's not a wind up Will.  I have seriously been asked the question a hell of lot why I won't open up the Friday or a Saturday for practice as many other grounds are starting to do.  The shooters tell me they practice leading up to a registered shoot and the targets aren't vastly different.

From a course setters point of view I can understand that as it would be pretty impossible to change on a Saturday night before the Sunday (especially with early evenings). 

I personally as a competitor don't agree with it but on a commercial basis I can see why it happens.  My way of thinking goes more to opening up the week after the competition on one day to let people come and practice the whole course or parts of it, or maybe bring a coach and get they to go over where the wheels fell off.

devalues it ....don't do it ! 

 

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God sporting shooters have a lot more bloody prima Donas than any other discipline.

You can practice until the frigging cows come home.....in whatever class you are....but you still have to put it together on the day..!!

The mental game is what gets the win ...once the skills have been polished.

So little Johnny goes up to stand one....going ....oh yeah I like this stand, it is an easy stand to start with....

Takes it too casual and drops 7 out of 8 ...blows his mind...tells everyone around that he was mashing them in practice....must be that the wind, sunk temperature....whatever .......has changed etc etc....

It does not matter how many times you practice...at most levels....you still have to put your money down on the day and shoot to win......and THAT my friends is where most people's wheels come off.....WHEN THE MONEY IS ON THE TABLE...

Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you sporters do make me giggle though going on as if it is the hardest game in town (just because you have not been educated in the other arts.....where you don't get to see the birds first)

Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Off to Weston now to have a cuppa with Steve....and to try to put the shot in the right place.

 

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Hey ....why not try a proper experiment....over a few weeks to test this chat.......all you big sporting boys.

Pick your shoot......go around twice.....instead of flicking off a few miles to the next one....photograph both cards and post on here.

Lets see exactly how the rounds change......I bet you will see stands that were hit.....being missed 2nd time round and stands that were missed...being hit 2nd time round.

Can you beat your first card or not....I can just see the excuses that will be given.....but......for experimentation.....just post the picture of the cards side by side.

Two rules though....!!

It has to be one full round followed by one full round and not two card out at the same time.

It has to be the same course (and not 100 at another ground) because that it what we are talking about in this thread.

So who is up for a bit of experimentation over the next few weeks....? Lets see your balls........or no doubt the excuses, :wink:

 

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Ok I don't mind starting......

EJC 6.11.14

The one marked G is the 2nd round starting after having a brew and going out again about 40 minutes later.

Now let's see yours.......big boys

 

[jwpzx9r]

Careful now Nic you are making sporting sound like a game of trial and error . :haha:

 

[EdSolomons]

Not shooting sporting over the winter but yes I would say a second round of the same targets scores WOUlD go up from my experience.

Interesting to see if anyone else agrees.

Good idea to keep the shoots on after Steve, be good to take a few of my lot round your birds more regularly.

 

[Shaun Hopkins]

Lets say Mr Solomoms shoots 97/100 at westfield then re enters, does he then shoot 100/100 next go! very much doubt it and the same goes in most classes i.e C class shooter shoots 76/100 first go second go 86/100 very much doubt it unless he has a lucky round.

I feel there would be a similar pattern throughout the classes as Nicola said its the mental game that comes into play there are only so many presentations in sporting If it was as easy to rectify our faults just by shooting a re entry to improve our scores i guess we would all very soon be AA class.

 

[Steve Lovatt]

I wasn't talking about re entry the same day I was asking what the view is from shooters about shooting a course the day before a reg event and I get the gist it's a no no so I for one won't be doing it

It was a strong topic today at the wood with some saying that a course is normally tweaked afterwards by changing the report birds backwards or just tweaking them in or out a bit but to me and a lot others that ain't a changed course !!!!! Sorry

 

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Quite.

So take today at Weston Wood.

First card was 76/100 then as my old mucker Mickey turned up...I decided to catch a late 2nd go.

I was sure I could do better.

Did not stop for lunch or drinks....just a pee.

This time 63/100.

Now I didnot think I was particularly tired...but who knows. I think next time I double up I will just shoot the lot in 24grm. Today I had 28's all way round both lots.

But all but one stand scored differently

It is a head game in my opinion....how can you score high one one stand and then the next time round score low. Too much comparing.

Hence practice only makes perfect when you hit them.

Great fun though..!!

 

[Irishgunner]

Any time iv shot two rounds I gained birds on the stands I messed up on first time around, and lost birds on the stands iv shot well, it's a head game for sure but others with better concentration should gain a few birds second time around, my concentration is the pits

 

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So come on big boys....where is your experimental nature..?

 

[Will Hewland]

The only time I have done this is at RBSS Handicap Challenge. I have always bettered my first score over the second and third attempts if memory serves correctly. After that it is a mind game and I can start to go backwards. NB these attempts are usually not on the same day.

 

[EdSolomons]

If I shot 97 I would be well above my average, having a good day and unlikely to better it. If I shot say a 91 (pretty bang on average) then yes I would expect round 2 to go up.

Ditto the only re entry I do is the handicap at RBSS (every score greater than last) or the tower at RBSS (same result bar one round).

That's how I find it anyway.

Ed

 

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Show us your cards then when you do it because at the minute the only proof of the pudding is 50/50.....

 

[Rob C]

I think having two rounds on the same day is quite different than practicing a few days before the shoot.  That is most people have certain birds that fool them and this is different for others.

  Also the course setter usually puts a few testers for the big boys which must be a big advantage for them if they could practice these before the shoot.

But do agree that keeping the course live for a few days after is a  much better idea.   Just saying .....