Practice/Training routines

[TVFSteven]

Given that I have access to fields, woodland, a quarry, a 17m scissor lift and am able to borrow an electric trap or two from our Wednesday night summer league team; what kind of training routines could I concoct in an effort to increase my scores out of the mid 70% aside from recreating targets I struggle with?

I've seen the Club Digweed episode working on quartering and crossers which has really helped with both those targets actually. I intend to do similar with teal and driven (from the ground not a tower, think pheasant out of cover on a rough shoot) then work my way out from centre both left and right.

If anyone could suggest any others that would be fantastic! Thanks!

Obviously if this is the wrong part of the forum please move the thread. 

 

[MJJ]

Sometimes its far easier to 'ask' where your going wrong, rather than trying to work it out. If i was in your position i would try to put on some 'good' targets and ask a friend over as well.

 

[TVFSteven]

Sometimes its far easier to 'ask' where your going wrong, rather than trying to work it out. If i was in your position i would try to put on some 'good' targets and ask a friend over as well.

Well yes absolutely I totally agree. Presumably that friend would need to be able to watch objectively and see where I'm going wrong though?

The friend I usually shoot with is shooting a lot better than me lately but is next to useless when it comes to seeing where I've gone wrong!

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[schmokinn]

I am no expert but the most common faults i see is the hold point being to far so they chase the target catch up with to much gun speed and slow the gun missing behind..that and trying to measure the gap they think they saw when they hit it generally slowing the gun and missing behind.

Measuring is a bad habit to get into and bloody hard to stop.....i know this as it keeps catching me out no matter how hard i try not to!  :yell:

 

[TVFSteven]

I am no expert but the most common faults i see is the hold point being to far so they chase the target catch up with to much gun speed and slow the gun missing behind..that and trying to measure the gap they think they saw when they hit it generally slowing the gun and missing behind.Measuring is a bad habit to get into and bloody hard to stop.....i know this as it keeps catching me out no matter how hard i try not to! 

Yep, they are definitely things I'm guilty of. How to practice that in a calculated way is the question I guess?

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[schmokinn]

Try moving your hold point to about 2/3rds of the way between where you first see the clay and where you want to kill it.

Practice is good but but coaching by post an impossibility and again i am no coach/instructor

 

[chippy]

I am no expert but the most common faults i see is the hold point being to far so they chase the target catch up with to much gun speed and slow the gun missing behind..that and trying to measure the gap they think they saw when they hit it generally slowing the gun and missing behind.

Measuring is a bad habit to get into and bloody hard to stop.....i know this as it keeps catching me out no matter how hard i try not to!  :yell:

However do you hit a clay without measuring?  I measure every single target not that I hit many but I cannot see how to apply lead without measuring it.

 

[schmokinn]

However do you hit a clay without measuring?  I measure every single target not that I hit many but I cannot see how to apply lead without measuring it.

Its an interesting topic for discussion i guess,maybe i should have said measuring a gap?

I try where ever possible to let gun speed and my brain dictate the lead without actually consciously seeing that gap,does that make more sense?

I find on some big targets i see a gap but when i try to replicate the gap i think i have seen i may miss because i don't move the gun the same usually slowing the gun when i see the gap leading to a miss behind.

 

[Skeetfreak]

Its an interesting topic for discussion i guess,maybe i should have said measuring a gap?

I try where ever possible to let gun speed and my brain dictate the lead without actually consciously seeing that gap,does that make more sense?

Sure this will have debated on here numerous times.... a quick search should throw up various topics. So i am not going to get to deeply drawn into this.

To me (and perception is a wonderful thing) - its impossible to repeat something if your brain does not know how you did it. So i think we ALL are "aware" of the gap / distance between the clay (primary) and barrel (secondary) using our subconscious and to my understanding when its done that way round it can be repeated. Plus lets bear in mind providing your gun shoots where your looking (correctly fitted) and you have the right pattern density to break the clay at the given distance then you ONLY (.) need to get close - after all its a shotgun at 0 - 70yds typically. 

Trouble is in an EFFORT to repeat things we CONSCIOUSLY try to copy the gap but i think we often do it in reverse by barrel (primary) and clay (secondary). This results in a few things to my mind...

i). Perspective has changed (foreground / background)

ii). You end up focussing on the nearer object (gun) and lose gun speed as you take your eye off the clay

iii). The required lead to break the target in this way is DIFFERENT to the subconscious way - it can be done but it needs more "seen" lead and if you happen to revert to subconscious you will miss / shoot in front often as you taught your brain the wrong lead - inconsistent?

Well that is my humble take on it anyway.... but take it for the price you paid for it as all that really matters is your own view on it as long as your breaking targets consistently your own way. 

Also note:- I think this also links into the fact that you "skew" a targets break point from your own vision compared to the person standing behind you. 

 

[Will Hewland]

I agree you need to be aware of the gap, or muzzle position to be a consistent shot. I have met lots of people who say they aren't aware of the gap (and it's all speed etc) but I am yet to meet one who has consistently high scores at sporting.

I think skeet freak is right, above, but it is more simple than that much of the time. Once we have found the right gap or placement of muzzle, it's all about ensuring to repeat the same gun movement / speed, to maintain the result. Often the problem is as simple as slowing up to over analyse the gap, or hurrying it. Another cause is not having the same hold point, which will dictate how fast you have to move to get to the target. So, basically, a proven sight picture is worth little without the associated speed being repeated. 

 

[Skeet UK]

Yep, they are definitely things I'm guilty of. How to practice that in a calculated way is the question I guess?

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[FreeShot]

I'd just add that I am surprised over and over again on the degree of filigree precision needed - it is bloody hard work and on moments quite painstaking.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I'd just add that I am surprised over and over again on the degree of filigree precision needed - it is bloody hard work and on moments quite painstaking.

And that's why all the best shots get the BIG $ !!

oh, wait ................................

 

[TVFSteven]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/n2F5FaeVNGs?feature=oembed  
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Gil ash is hugely irritating in his delivery! Good videos though. maintained lead is something I've ever really used or tried much at all for that matter


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[FreeShot]

And that's why all the best shots get the BIG $ !!

oh, wait ................................

Exactly - watch this GD vid (pass the drink promo parts). Unique insight into his stuff - what I gather:

1. Smooth and incredibly precise swing - IMO just astounding - I believe with precision like that many clays would be hit with a .22 l.r.

2. Interesting how he almost always start with his gun behind the clay - passes the clay, doesn't finish like swing through but like making sure he is well ahead and sort of waiting the clay to come to where it is suppose to when pulling the trigger  (looks like diminishing lead  - very intersting part of the shot - since at the moment the shot is triggered he almost completely pauses the swing - like being sure of the hit)...