Prize Money Schemes - please read the post first...

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I have been asked to run a poll by a ground owner who wants to know how best to distribute prize money at his shoots.

So - given a 100 bird registered shoot - he is trying to decide between two schemes:

Scheme A -

High Gun Prize - £150

Class Prizes - £60 / £40 / £30 / £20

+ Ladies / Juniors

Scheme B -

No outright High Gun Prize

Class Prizes - £150 / £30 / £20

+ Ladies / Juniors

Lets see if we can keep it civil - but would welcome your votes on the most preferred scheme.

 

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Oh - and before anyone asks, the ground owner is not a member here - but is really looking for market research before making decisions for their ground.

 

[GlenPresley]

Think scheme A is the better all around it benefits all classes and a better chance of winning your entry back.

To come second in class and only get 30 quid when the top gets 150 quid is a big gap.

Just my thoughts my vote is in.

Glen.

 

[ExSCA]

Hope he is paying you then for all the knowledge

Doubt it!

 

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The votes will be published at the end... you saying 'option b' will not be counted unless you click on the appropriate answer in the poll at the top.

 

[FieldandClay]

Option B could be improved upon..maybe!

In Class 1st - £100, 2nd - £60, 3rd - £40. Or down to 4th £100, £50, £30, £20

Even as Runner up in class it useful to cover costs.

High Gun should be for big events with a sponsors prize or trophy

 

[Will Hewland]

I actually voted b, but don't think either are quite right.

It does seem wrong to offer HG (which will be won by a AA) then also to pay first in AA. Having said that, I do think that the higher classes should have higher payouts. I disagree with paying big money to C class. Why should a lower ability be equally rewarded in a competitive scenario. Are we the only sport where this happens? Where is the incentive? I can see that ground owners will try and draw a crowd, which is mixed, but it just seems wrong. The shooters in AA will have spent a lot of time and money over the years getting there, so more money returned should be normal.

I would like to see:

£150 HG, which is also the 1st place in the class it came from. (probably AA)

£120, £80,£50 in AA (although if HG was a AA, then the first place is not paid out)

£100, £70,£40 in A (ditto above if A HG)

£80, £50, £25 in B ( ditto above if B HG)

£60, £40, £20 in C (ditto above, but if HG comes from C then fraud squad are called)

Obviously the numbers above are suggestions and would vary with entry size. Particularly, any class that has, say, 40 entries should carry more prizes than only to third place IMO.

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[GlenPresley]

I like Clever's method at the end of the day if I come third in class and get 20 quid that to me is an insult and a joke!

Glen.

 

[Will Hewland]

I like Clever's method at the end of the day if I come third in class and get 20 quid that to me is an insult and a joke!

Glen.

You are unlikely to come third in C Glen.. You have spent time and money getting yourself above that..

 

[Clynt]

plan B = baggers paradise and any one who thinks this is not going on out there are sadly mistaken

 

[EdSolomons]

option A all day. As said just encourages people staying in A class for easy cash at this ground then throwing the odd shoot. Also agree with the more money toward the top; best way yet to stop all this sandbagging that people are worried about.

 

[Fuzrat]

I like field and clays idea

Hang on a bit clever. I was under the impression that cash stayed in classes?? Why would lower classes want to subsidize the higher classes pot?

 

[Will Hewland]

I think it's the principle of higher first place for me. If C class had a massive entry (so plenty of money to divvy up) then fine, but keep first prize lower than higher classes. Pay the money out further down, to say 6th place. This encourages even more of the C class folk, but keeps a perspective on what a C win is.

I just think its questionable to pick up £150 in C, when somebody in a higher class hits another 10 clays or whatever and gets nothing. We are all stood in a field with a similar gun. Bear in mind that the higher class person will likely have spent a lot of time and money getting above C class and I believe the system should encourage you to progress.

I know that this will inevitably sound like my personal bandwagon, so I will explain that in my case I didn't start shooting reg shoots until I had done 10 months solid practice, so I skipped C and was straight to B. I have been in A a long time now and only in the last few months am seeing fairly regular class placings. I want the system to keep encouraging me to push for AA, not make me feel comfortable as a higher end A shot.

Cheers,

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[EdSolomons]

Emmsy wins!

 

[Salopian]

This is an awkward one, if you had decent payout in the classes someone could pocket over a grand before the CPSA classification kicked in.Of course the ground could always move class winners up after winning class high gun.

But it really is a difficult one to sort out.Similar situation in say B class where the majority of shooters are the class winner beats say 80 other class shooters and wins £40 out of a pay in of perhaps £3-400? Good luck in sorting out a fair system, I hope someone comes up with a fair system.

 

[tiptop]

Option B could be improved upon..maybe!

In Class 1st - £100, 2nd - £60, 3rd - £40. Or down to 4th £100, £50, £30, £20

Even as Runner up in class it useful to cover costs.

High Gun should be for big events with a sponsors prize or trophy

Have gone with A,but if option B was £100, £50, £30, £20 would have gone with that.

The more chance you have of recovering some of the cost may even bring new people into the sport.

 

[Will Hewland]

This is an awkward one, if you had decent payout in the classes someone could pocket over a grand before the CPSA classification kicked in.Of course the ground could always move class winners up after winning class high gun.

But it really is a difficult one to sort out.Similar situation in say B class where the majority of shooters are the class winner beats say 80 other class shooters and wins £40 out of a pay in of perhaps £3-400? Good luck in sorting out a fair system, I hope someone comes up with a fair system.

Agreed. You will never make everybody happy. One size fits nobody.

 

[tiptop]

or just ditch class payout and pay 150,125,100,90,80,70,60,50,40,35 - £800

This one sound like sponsorship for the top ten AA shooters and would give no incentive for lower rank C class shooters to enter competition lowering the prize pot money.

 

[GlenPresley]

You are unlikely to come third in C Glen.. You have spent time and money getting yourself above that..

Yes exactly but if I chose option A I would get fook all which is laughable! I have laughed at grounds before on receiving a fiver or tenner in an envelope! Unbelievable.....and yes I never went back again! ;-) ............hang on I can hear Ian ........we have to make a profit ......blah blah blah! ;-)