Prize Money Schemes - please read the post first...

[GlenPresley]

This one sound like sponsorship for the top ten AA shooters and would give no incentive for lower rank C class shooters to enter competition lowering the prize pot money.

Your incentive is to go and get better to get better money!!! ...........like the rest of us did!......or take up something else.

At the end of the day this topic is an unfair debate as there are hardly any AA or AAA shooters on here??!!! ;-)

 

[GlenPresley]

I like field and clays idea

Hang on a bit clever. I was under the impression that cash stayed in classes?? Why would lower classes want to subsidize the higher classes pot?

Lower classes should just get a trophy and pay for Birds only apart from the majors! :kiss:

 

[tiptop]

Your incentive is to go and get better to get better money!!! ...........like the rest of us did!......or take up something else.

At the end of the day this topic is an unfair debate as there are hardly any AA or AAA shooters on here??!!! ;-)

My incentive is to improve and go up the ranks, just saying that the odd £20 pays for the cartridges for the day which helps pay for it,as mentioned in other threads not eveybody has a bottomless pit of money.

 

[GlenPresley]

If you need 20quid to shoot then your in the wrong game.....truth hurts sorry.

 

[Westward]

Lower classes should just get a trophy and pay for Birds only apart from the majors! :kiss:

That's not a bad plan. It might be meant as tongue in cheek but it has some merit, especially alongside Emmsy's top 10 suggestion.

 

[tiptop]

Don't need any money to go shooting as i have enough for what i want to do.

The thing here as well for anybody looking in is that a lot of people go on about encouraging new blood into the sport.

A lot of comments on these type of subjects must appear that you all get sweet F.A. back out of it until you reach AA.

 

[tiptop]

Strange thing Glen is we both think option A is the best option as it gives you the best chance to win your entry back,in all classes.

 

[radrac]

option A all day. As said just encourages people staying in A class for easy cash at this ground then throwing the odd shoot. Also agree with the more money toward the top; best way yet to stop all this sandbagging that people are worried about.

Agreed. More money for the very best...without being ridiculous, and broader distribution in the classes to make sandbagging less attractive.

 

[GlenPresley]

Strange thing Glen is we both think option A is the best option as it gives you the best chance to win your entry back,in all classes.

Yes I think it is the best option, but I gave up on giving a monkies about prize money a long time ago. It is a sour place!

Basically what happens is the lower classes argue amongst themselves and make excuses of sand bagging when they don't get a result maybe to hide some of their inability? .....look at Ferret he was crying a few weeks ago as somebody shot a big score in his class and after a taste of an envelope or two he never got one that week so he was complaining (sorry Ferret!).... then you have AA and AAA and if you do not look at where you go to shoot then really you are going to win didly squat when your up against the top in AA each week.

Its nice to get a draw but its not easy.

The biggest result I had was when I was in B when I first started shooting comps.....I was already reasonable for that class because I had shot a lot, before shooting registered comps....that year I had 3rd in B at the British and 1st in B at the Classic......Have I won big since then on that sort of scale??? No.....only in Helice as you have the luck element added in as well!

Glen.

 

[Darkside]

I voted b, only because I'm in c class,if/when I improve, I would vote a.

I do think that once you move out of C you should never go back down to C again, you are a B minimum. Win a major in C and you automaticly go up to B class. A and other classes above should only be able to drop back 1 class in 5 years, i.e. anyone who ever makes it to AA could drop back to A but only ever drop back to B if the shot below A avarage for 5 years. Same with AAA, dose that make scence???

 

[timps]

If you want to charge a levy on every shooter so everyone enters the comp then you can pay out more for the higher classes by all means.

But you are asking a shooter if they want to pay £5 to participate so they are going to look at what they can get back, if they have no realistic chance of winning H/G or all the money is in a higher class then the £5 stays in their pocket and the ground owner is just then ruining a bird only shoot apart from the top few shooters.

I am not going to freely pay £5 just so the best shot gets a bigger payout, I will freely pay £5 so I can win something back though.

The grounds I shoot that guarantee reasonable class payouts down to a set place seem to get the numbers entering the comps, the ones that don’t seem to get a lot of birds only.

In my opinion out of what I have seen posted hear Fieldandclay’s idea would attract the most comp entries spread throughout the classes. I am not saying it’s the best/ fairest way forward but if I was a ground owner it is what I would do to fill my ground up under the current system.

 

[GlenPresley]

when some of you guys have been around the circuit a few years and see what goes on i think you will slowly see the light.

Well said Emmsy give it 5 years and then most on here will no the score, that's not being disrespectful in anyway either.

 

[40UP]

Don't forget AA was invented to give A class shooters a better chance of winnings. Then AAA class was invented to give AA shooters a better chance of winnings.

Clement Freud called our classification system a tallest dwarf contest. Bit perceptive that.

 

[Clynt]

Good point there Emmsy why would anyone feel the need to enter a competition, knowing they could never win any of the prizes,? while shooting B/O.....why even turn up! it's dear practice surely

Personally feel B/O scores should be discarded by the CPSA or even better scrap B/O completely...

 

[40UP]

At a discipline English Open last month two B class shooters scored in the top three. So the third man in B got the trophy for B class champion of England. How :huh:

 

[Salopian]

I think that possibly the fairest answer is that there needs to be a high gun prize obviously of lets say £100- £200

then a decent share out for 2nd & 3rd O/All. These three unable to have any other class prize.

Then a sensible prize structure in each class according to number of entries. With possibly the first two in class moving up a class to discourage sand baggers. This way there is an incentive to improve and hopefully a fair share out of the prize fund. As I said earlier it is a difficult one to solve, I don't think the C class shooters should feel that they are only topping up the A class pot with no hope of a return, equally I think it is unreasonable for someone who has shot very well in the top classes to be rewarded less than someone who has hit considerably less targets. It's a difficult conundrum.

 

[Salopian]

Obviously Field & Clays idea is brilliant.

But where does the prize money come from?

 

[timps]

the HG shouldnt be coming out of the class money pot so saying you dont stand a chance of winning it means diddly squat.

the invention of birds only i dont think really achieved anything, anyone got any proof that it increased numbers of shooters??

if i wanted to fill a ground i would probably ditch B/O and charge everyone £32/33, £5 from all going back in the pot. more entries at lower cost are surely more good than less entries at a higher cost.

If you read my first line I say “If you want to charge a levy on every shooter so everyone enters the comp then you can pay out more for the higher classes by all means”. So we agree on that one, I am not advocating birds only just saying if you ask people for an extra £5 for the ‘comp’ they will say ‘no’ if the only decent money to be won is H/G or the higher classes and they don’t stand a chance, regardless of where the money is sourced from.

My point is about how most shoots are run at this moment in time, H/G is irrelevant to the vast majority entering the comp, it is not going to get them to enter no matter how high it is as they are not going to win it, make their class more attractive then they probably will say comp instead of Birds Only.

So my post is in context to being asked comp or birds only at check in & what prize structure would get the most shooters to enter. I have won £15 and £10 for 1st in class, £0 for 2nd and even £25 for H/G so I just don’t see the point in paying the extra £5 unless there is a guaranteed prize and places for the class I am in and stand a chance of winning something worthwhile. I even went B/O at registered sportrap and got H/G I missed another massive £25 H/G pot.

Good point there Emmsy why would anyone feel the need to enter a competition, knowing they could never win any of the prizes,? while shooting B/O.....why even turn up! it's dear practice surely

Personally feel B/O scores should be discarded by the CPSA or even better scrap B/O completely...

Competing is not just about winning money, it’s about the score I shoot, if I wanted to win some money I would have chosen a different sport that this.

 

[EdSolomons]

£25 high gun where on earth was that? Ill make sure I avoid it.

 

[timps]

£25 high gun where on earth was that? Ill make sure I avoid it.

Worsley, I just give up now, the envelope is worth more on some of the registered shoots I have won.

Some have been a good turn out just mainly birds only shooters and sod all it the pot.