Clynt
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Do the CPSA publish the prize fund as a list, of who won what ? in each class ? for all placed prize winners ?
As a slight aside to this burning question, but along the same lines..........
Aaron Harvey (at this point I will make it clear I don't know him or think anyone should necessarily stand up for him, I'm sure he's able to do this, but it is to illustrate a point I made earlier) shot the equal highest score in the 75 bird final along with the eventual winner. In my book that should make him second overall, but read on.
He (A.H.) now has to win the shoot for a second time, (or is it third now?) all be it with his score of 68 added to his shoot off totals, but he ends up in third place and wins 250 cartridges (according to the CPSA website).
Now, if he had stayed in his lettered class (AA) he would have won the "Hatsun", which I presume to be a "Hatsan" shotgun, as the highest scoring AA shooter. Certainly worth more than the cost of 250 cartridges.
Is he gutted, you'll have to ask him, but I think he's been shafted!
What do you think?
Personally I cannot and would not compete under these rules. They are so obviously focussed on the "upper eschelon" of shooters that the ordinary guy or girl on a lucky streak would never stand a look in. Fixed or what?
In my opinion, all this changed after Robert Calton, then only 16 or 17? in 1982 won the British. I remember clearly at the time there was much sour grapes that the established "names" had had their Championship taken from them by some young upstart. Not taking anything away from Robert Calton who must have shot out of his skin that day, but that was the last time an unexpected shooter won the British.
As for the "Super Final" concept being set ridiculously hard, with scores into the 30's ex 75! Demoralising, devastating or plain disgusting? What is that all about? No need Course Setters, no need! But I will tell you what it's all about. Set really hard you will never get a "lesser" shooter hit many with any consistency, but the tops boys and girls, (who shoot this sort of thing and rightly so to be ready for anything) will always rise to the top, again, reserving "their" championship for themselves.
Conspiracy theory? You work it out.
while I agree with most of what you said Ian, I suspect that (AH) preferred to have the cartridges, as the hatsans only cost about £50 to produce, and would be of far more use to him
He's a Junior too? Well done that Lad!Aaron also received 500 shells for winning Juniors.
Looking forward to next months bumper issue of PULL magazine!Right here we go, and before anyone gets to pikey about it I am not trying to take anything away from any of the shooters here. They have all shot well, some above and beyond expectations, so lets get that clear from the start.
Ian is the only person that is getting anywhere near it. So here goes.
1. How can you win something you have not qualified for?....Answer. Enter the CPSA British open.
You run a competition that involves 4 days of qualifications. This involves different classes and categories. So everybody turns up day after day and people qualify and get put in their CLASS/CATEGORY THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY QUALIFIED FOR by the so called governing body. So on finals day would you not expect the people that have qualified in their class/category to be shooting in that class or category (yes/no). Everyone turns up to shoot, eyeing up the opposition in your squad,class OR category and off we go. Everyone returns, results are done and you have put the highest score in, in your class. But hold on you haven't one the gold medal in that class because someone that DID NOT QUALIFY TO SHOOT THAT CLASS, BUT QUALIFIED IN A CATEGORY HAS SHOT A HIGHER SCORE. Ok they may be the same grade shooter AAA, AA, A,B,C or whatever, but THEY NEVER QUALIFIED TO SHOOT IN THAT CLASS. One minute they are a category shooter(by daily qualification) the next they are a class shooter. To me this is totally wrong, and it makes a mockery of the whole qualification process.
And that is how it is done.
2. What is missing..............This one is a bit easier...Answer, The results for the SENIOR CLASS.
Yes peeps there was actually a SENIORS CLASS this year. There were 12 qualifiers for the senior class mainly AAA,AA shooters. But guess what there are no results for this category, no winners. The more cynical among us might say was this a category put in place to make sure that there were plenty of top names there, just in case by some fluke they never made it through their class?
Just my thoughts.
To be honest I thought that the qualification thing would have stopped all the 2 bites of the cherry stuff, class /category jumping and all that because you have now had to qualify to shoot. Obviously not, to me it makes it even worse.That makes a lot more sense, thanks for explaining. I have no idea how they come up with that format, to be honest I can't see it makes any sense at all.
Thanks for that information. We are not normally privvy to that. I wonder why the full prize given is not disclosed by the CPSA. Perhaps "Cash" is a dirty word today?There was also a cash prize fund for this shoot, think the overall high gun received somewhere around £1200, think Aaron received around the £600 mark for third overall, so he did win more for coming third than winning his lettered class as ur lucky if u can get £300 for a hatsan!
As for the final 75 birds being too tough, from someone who actually shot it yesterday it was not overly tough, nothing at extreme range and 90 percent of targets showing full face, the scores were prob a bit low because of the nerves factor of a major champs and on that note surely we want the final of the Britsh Open our flagship domestic event to be a bit more challenging and special than your run of the mill Sunday registered!
Yup! What he said! :smile:It seems a lot of 'big' shoots have gone this way over the years- total farce! You either win it in your class or you don't. Having a second round to see who wins after you 'have won your class' makes a mockery of shooting it. Nothing wrong with a shoot-off for tied scores, as it should be. Will your normal registered shoots go the same way? Shoot 99, sorry mate you have not won yet, theres another round to shoot at the end. It appears that everything is the same these days, all those at the top only do things to benefit themselves and shaft the ordinary man. Oh well rant over.
cannot agree more.Thanks Pete. You saved me having to post something similar.
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