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French style ....
Bryn12
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Right OK I think I've got it, thanks. I understand that some disciplines you can shoulder your gun before 'pull' but others you can't so on those creep is beginning the mount early, which gives an unfair advantage.
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Sian Your partially correct, the barrels should be completely still as well, no waving around like a magic wand
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I'd be very interested to know which team manager this was. I'd be obliged if you'd PM me.
chippy
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Let's think a foreign team manager who ran away when challenged. That narrows it down to a couple of countries.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine recently, the ref followed the misfire rule to the letter but the problem wasn't a misfire. ref was so focused on getting the process right that he didn't actually listen to the shooter who got wound up and missed another 3 targets on that line as a result.
Being a ref is tough but it is not just about rules, you are also dealing with people. People who have invested an incredible amount of time and money in their sport/hobby, both shooters and referees should be taught to take a second and put yourself in the other persons shoes.
I can't comment on Sporting Selection Shoots as I have never been to one or been involved however I have been involved in Skeet Selection and you sign a contract with the CPSA to say that qualified refs will be used and you must also appoint a head ref.
Obviously common sense must prevail and with all the best planning in the world if you get hit by sickness you can't leave a stand without a ref, qualified or not. The show must go on and ground owners have to make tough decisions to try and do the best for all the shooters booked on.
Obviously common sense must prevail and with all the best planning in the world if you get hit by sickness you can't leave a stand without a ref, qualified or not. The show must go on and ground owners have to make tough decisions to try and do the best for all the shooters booked on.
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I've been a member of the FITASC UT Technical Commission since 2005 and sit on either the Jury or Jury of Appeal at all European and World Championship events.
The teams who attended this event were from Great Britain, Ireland, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal.
The team manager's for the French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese teams were at the time also members of the Tech. Comm.
Following Andypandy's two posts of 14 May I've asked the President of the Tech. Comm. about this and he has no recollection of the incident to which he referred. It was certainly not discussed in Jury or Tech. Comm. meetings either.
One of the functions of the Tech. Comm. is to revise and amend the technical rules of the discipline. At no time has there ever been included within the rules a section on shooters being coached by others whilst shooting is taking place. The nearest rule is Article 3.3 and that purely relates to electronic devices. I attach a link to the current rules which have changed little since 2009.
http://www.fitasc.co...1012014_ENG.pdf
The Jury dismissed one referee from the event because of his inept refereeing skills. There were two others who the Jury were watching very closely for further incidents.
The teams who attended this event were from Great Britain, Ireland, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal.
The team manager's for the French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese teams were at the time also members of the Tech. Comm.
Following Andypandy's two posts of 14 May I've asked the President of the Tech. Comm. about this and he has no recollection of the incident to which he referred. It was certainly not discussed in Jury or Tech. Comm. meetings either.
One of the functions of the Tech. Comm. is to revise and amend the technical rules of the discipline. At no time has there ever been included within the rules a section on shooters being coached by others whilst shooting is taking place. The nearest rule is Article 3.3 and that purely relates to electronic devices. I attach a link to the current rules which have changed little since 2009.
http://www.fitasc.co...1012014_ENG.pdf
The Jury dismissed one referee from the event because of his inept refereeing skills. There were two others who the Jury were watching very closely for further incidents.
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Nimbusgb
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Since beginning shooting early this year I have shot 4 registered FITASC comps and 5 registered Sporting comps.
I have yet to see anyone have their fitasc line checked and have shot with people without even a chalk line on a vest.
I have seen foot faults, gun faults and targets being discussed with the ref.
Sporting is pretty random with volunteer 'refs' just scoring. Even people who have been waiting while 10 people have shot still step up and get 'shown a pair' from inside the cage.
Lightweight coaching takes place all the time on stands.
Shooting may be an expensive pastime/sport/hobby but so is gliding and yet the whole gliding movement runs on volunteers. Flight instruction at a club is free, I'm a registered instructor and donate my time and the occasional weekend to teach or lecture. Compare that to clay shooting where you can pay as much as £100 for an instructors time.
I'd volunteer to ref in exchange for free clays and with a bit of organisation refs could easily shoot the same comp if there were a few spare refs.
I have yet to see anyone have their fitasc line checked and have shot with people without even a chalk line on a vest.
I have seen foot faults, gun faults and targets being discussed with the ref.
Sporting is pretty random with volunteer 'refs' just scoring. Even people who have been waiting while 10 people have shot still step up and get 'shown a pair' from inside the cage.
Lightweight coaching takes place all the time on stands.
Shooting may be an expensive pastime/sport/hobby but so is gliding and yet the whole gliding movement runs on volunteers. Flight instruction at a club is free, I'm a registered instructor and donate my time and the occasional weekend to teach or lecture. Compare that to clay shooting where you can pay as much as £100 for an instructors time.
I'd volunteer to ref in exchange for free clays and with a bit of organisation refs could easily shoot the same comp if there were a few spare refs.
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