Bebo
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Ah, but I usually shoot Targets Only. If you shoot competition (which I think you usually do) then your scores would go automatically be expected to go in.
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Yes I have always shot competition but I didn't realise there was actually a choice of not having your score noted. I thought even going birds only in a registered they had to go in if you were CPSA member. Makes no odds to me, the good the bad and the ugly all show in my history of registered shoots. ?
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That's the way I have always been, shoot crap and your score still goes in, but there are some out there that do not, which makes their averages false. Not very sporting of them is it ! but at the end of the day its no good having a good average and not performing on the day just because you look good on paper !
This does not happen in trap the card goes in there is no choice.
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There is no choice. And you shouldn't be at a registered shoot if you are not a cpsa member. Unless you have paid for a day pass. Registered shoots are for members only.Another thing that needs attention. Appreciate that the grounds are trying to maximise their profits but I think they made a choice to hold registered shoots, so run them accordingly. Too many Rambo types appearing lately.
Jasper.
Will Hewland
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That old day pass system was canned about 4 years ago. Anybody can shoot a Reg shoot. However, I think a CPSA member opting to shoot it as a practice round is not mentioned in the rules anywhere. Some grounds would let you I suppose
Bebo
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That was never in my mind, just the idea that they would ask that question seems odd as I have never encountered it anywhere and kind of defeats the object of a registered shoot targets only or comp if a person could go birds only and then choose whether to give their score in or not.
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I really don't think it was. Bigger shoots like Weston wood and EJ Churchill regularly get 30 or so non CPSA members shooting it. And of course there is plenty of reason to be a member if you want to compete and get classified.
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P1Fanatic
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This confused me when I first went to Horne and asked for birds only and was asked if I wanted my score uploaded to cpsa. I was like "say what"?. So there are 3 levels of entry fee. I have no issue with that if someone wants to shoot a practice round. Although would they notice if said person re-entered competition for their 2nd round? You hope everyone is honest but where money and ego are involved its not always the case.
Bebo
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Only ever been asked before starting when picking up a card, not at the end when submitting. If you've chosen to have your scores registered and you have a bad day you're stuck with it (and vice versa).
Will Hewland
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If it exists as a rule, not a ground I know follows it. Don't shoot the messenger..
1.6 says no practice allowed, so that's a separate issue. No ground let's members shoot the course before buying another card for a registered result.
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Not shooting the messenger. But you can't pick and choose which rules should be applied . It's the start of the rot.
I think I'll coach someone to a class win this week. Is that ok?? Witnessed this recently.
I'll use some 32grm 5 this week . OK?Look in the bins.
How about we go dressed to the nines in camo . OK? Lots of Rambo's about.
3 shells in an auto.ok?
I'll point an unbroken gun at you . You ok with that.?
Where else do we wanna go. ??
Para 1.16 ( not 1.6 ) details penalties for transgression of para 1.2 amongst other things. Like non return of score cards. which should apply to all.
Bit like democracy in this country at the mo. It's ok as long as it goes your way.
But it's your sport. It's probably to far gone to bother about anyway.
I think I'll coach someone to a class win this week. Is that ok?? Witnessed this recently.
I'll use some 32grm 5 this week . OK?Look in the bins.
How about we go dressed to the nines in camo . OK? Lots of Rambo's about.
3 shells in an auto.ok?
I'll point an unbroken gun at you . You ok with that.?
Where else do we wanna go. ??
Para 1.16 ( not 1.6 ) details penalties for transgression of para 1.2 amongst other things. Like non return of score cards. which should apply to all.
Bit like democracy in this country at the mo. It's ok as long as it goes your way.
But it's your sport. It's probably to far gone to bother about anyway.
Bebo
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Glad that P1Fanatic has had the same experience as it wasn't just me. All the same, wish I'd kept my gob shut about it now. 
Will Hewland
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Just to be clear, I personally don't see the problem allowing a non CPSA member to pay for a practice round at a reg shoot as long as they proceed in a decent manner and shoot it sensibly etc. It just helps the ground survive. This is a totally different discussion to that of cheating, which is a different matter and should be stamped on of course, in all it's elements.
I for one have never not handed my card in, that's just cheating yourself.
BTW I think that CPSA booklet 1 is an old non-updated publication that may contain a few out of date things, particularly this day pass rule, which was DEFINITELY pronounced dead a few years ago - and I never heard it reinstated. Perhaps Richard Worthington can clarify is he's looking in?
I for one have never not handed my card in, that's just cheating yourself.
BTW I think that CPSA booklet 1 is an old non-updated publication that may contain a few out of date things, particularly this day pass rule, which was DEFINITELY pronounced dead a few years ago - and I never heard it reinstated. Perhaps Richard Worthington can clarify is he's looking in?
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The day pass scheme is still alive & kicking !!.......its a FOC service from the CPSA & the ground does not charge a fee for this.
It allows non CPSA shooters to dip their toes into a registered competition enviroment (Targets only) & its used as a encouragement for them to join the CPSA....
A try before you buy exercise if you like..... The shooter has to fill their details onto a sheet & by doing so are temporary covered by the CPSA insurance scheme.
A shooter can shoot under the day pass scheme for a maximum of 3 shoots only !!
It allows non CPSA shooters to dip their toes into a registered competition enviroment (Targets only) & its used as a encouragement for them to join the CPSA....
A try before you buy exercise if you like..... The shooter has to fill their details onto a sheet & by doing so are temporary covered by the CPSA insurance scheme.
A shooter can shoot under the day pass scheme for a maximum of 3 shoots only !!
Will Hewland
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Did there used to be a charge Phil? I'm sure at least this changed a few years ago. (Because every ground ignored it anyway). The CPSA booklet talks about BUYING a day pass.. hence my remark about feeling it was out of date.
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Yes Will, there was a charge a few years ago but now its FOC from the CPSA tho they still allow each ground to make a charge if that ground so wishes !!
We dont charge & have signed a few new members to the CPSA through this scheme.
We dont charge & have signed a few new members to the CPSA through this scheme.
Mr. Moss,
That is a very interesting post !
" The shooter has to fill their details onto a Sheet & by doing so are temporarily covered by the CPSA insurance scheme."
Sorry mate , how crazy is that ? We the membership pay to cover people who cannot be bothered, and risk a situation similar to what happened to Alfie Oldring ?
Reference Insurance cover Fieldsports Britain , last week.
Cheating is unfortunately rife in CPSA Registered shoots I am sad to say , how many AA & A shots do you know who screw their bad scorecards up ?
That by the way is a minor issue , what about big loads , pairs again after no birds , until you get a straight , hard primers, etc etc ad nauseum.
Would you like to hear about coaching on the stand ?
Sorry , not having a go at you Mossy , just being a realist and until it is penalised harshly , it will go on .
That is a very interesting post !
" The shooter has to fill their details onto a Sheet & by doing so are temporarily covered by the CPSA insurance scheme."
Sorry mate , how crazy is that ? We the membership pay to cover people who cannot be bothered, and risk a situation similar to what happened to Alfie Oldring ?
Reference Insurance cover Fieldsports Britain , last week.
Cheating is unfortunately rife in CPSA Registered shoots I am sad to say , how many AA & A shots do you know who screw their bad scorecards up ?
That by the way is a minor issue , what about big loads , pairs again after no birds , until you get a straight , hard primers, etc etc ad nauseum.
Would you like to hear about coaching on the stand ?
Sorry , not having a go at you Mossy , just being a realist and until it is penalised harshly , it will go on .
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