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This is a follow up to a thread on the general discussion board " can I see a pair".

What I did not know was that the first squad get to see the targets for UT and ABT. My question ... is there any advantage in seeing them? I am quite new to OT,UT and ABT but I never try to anticipate a target and have enough time concentrating on the next target far less trying to remember how many lefts and rights I have had. Since you don't know what order you are going to get the targets is there any real advantage in seeing them at all? I think there could be an advantage I seeing where the clays cross in UT but I am trying to think how confused I would be trying to gain some advantage by seeing the targets before shooting.

 
John

only applies to ot and ut. The advantage is that you get an idea of the selected scheme so you may know its got a few low birds or high birds and can therefore adopt the correct hold points, would also give you an idea of how the targets are effected by any prevailing weather and or light.

 
I did not know you got to see them at OT that's a lot of targets but UT is only five, I am assuming you don't see the five from every peg? To be honest I think there is more value in looking to the sky's during proceedings that being there at the start to see the targets. Normally at training they tell you the scheme for UT and give angle and elevations, again my very limited experience says see bird shoot bird from the square... don't worry about what you could get wait and see what you do get and shoot it.

 
It is as you say John - for equality of experience. The first squad of the day deserve a similar chance to view the targets. In OT you will be looking for the worst couple of targets on the layout as they may well cost you 4 from your 25. There are UT shooters who will recognise which of the 5 targets it is before moving to shoot it. I have noticed Ian Peel and James Birkett-Evans discussing the angle of slip for individual targets as they view them - watch how they land as well as how they take off.

 
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Very true 40UP I never really thought about the fairness aspect when applied to the first squad up! My inexperience leads me to think  I'll wait and see the targets as they come but really good shots probably have a lot more time to think about the order of things. I have heard that some shooters know what they have shot and what they have to come I terms of the really testing targets whereas I when shooting a really good round usually don't know when I am shooting my last target because I am just waiting to shoot the next target :)

 
John

it does no harm to have a look at the scheme before you shoot.

 
With OT and UT the targets will cross in front of the centre trap and that's what gives me the key to my visual pick up point.  With ABT the  trap moves side to side and up and down and therefore the exit point of the clay is totally variable so seeing a target before the round starts is to some extend IMO irrelevant.   

 
Agree with that, abt chucks too random for seeing one to be of much use apart from getting a bit of an idea as to speed off the arm, visibility and if wind is having an effect.

 
I think a point to bring out here is that it is not just the privilege of the first squad to observe the targets.  Prior to the start of the competition everyone is invited to observe the target settings and comment if they feel it is necessary.  Anyway, that's the way it was when I was shooting.

 
Sorry to resurrect this thread but i have a question for 40up. I could of course ask him personally on sat but maybe others need clarification also so here goes.

"Angle of slip"

can you kindly explain this Mr 40up sir.

 
Oooooooooh IPS..........

How clever.

(But you have now lost all the 'sporters'....... :wink: )

 
Oooooooooh IPS..........

How clever.

(But you have now lost all the 'sporters'....... :wink: )
Not strictly true Tinker Bell?

We probably compensate more for it on windy days with driven targets. Just like one of your 80 yards pheasants with it's wings set in a crosswind!

Being a sporter though, we don't have to analyse it, calculate it, and give it a name. We just shoot the target, misssing it if we haven't read it right!  :biggrin:

 
No 1 Top dog is about to explain. :wink:
Surely everybody knows it's the angle of the vector sum of target forward velocity (Vx), and lateral velocity (Vy)

The slip angle,
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is defined as

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                :biggrin:

 
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