Trap tomorrow

[jwpzx9r]

40UP I love shooting but I don't know if I could make a job out of it !  Anyway I could shoot any number of shells a year and I would still not make an Olympian

 

[ips]

High volume training seems to include many recent Olympic gold medalists so it's difficult to argue against. The objective seems to be to induce mental oblivion. They go on the line, switch on and do what they do all day everyday. We all know what contemplation of the outcome does for the action of the present. It is far removed from shooting clays for enjoyment. That's Olympic sport for you. I hear of 150,000 shells/year and 3 hour stints on the line and another 3 hours in the afternoon.

all sounds correct to me, the more you do something the less effort and thought is required. We do it to a degree every time we train / practice, top shooters do it to extreme and that is a lot to do with why they are extremely good. You don't get extremely good at anything by thinking about it you get extremely good by doing it a lot.

 

[40UP]

Here's the bad news. Braithwaite said it takes only 5000 cartridges to know if a new shooter has "got" it. He also said that if they don't break through in two years, they don't break through at all. Observation sadly seems to confirm this. For most of us the journey is fortunately more enjoyable than the destination.

 

[jwpzx9r]

If you think about it rationally most people who take up a shotgun will never be anything other than space fillers on the stand, I am one of those space fillers

edit... you are right though it is great fun trying to be better than last time !

 

[40UP]

Isn't this where we ask Tinkerbell to explain the 10,000 hour rule again..

 

[jwpzx9r]

I am sure I read some where that the 10,000 hour rule was in fact nonsense but  I last read it when reading about a concert pianist requiring to study for this length of time before he would fully understand all the nuances of the repertoire... don't see many of them with a Browning in their hands, spent too much bloody time messing around with piano's

 

[ips]

Here's the bad news. Braithwaite said it takes only 5000 cartridges to know if a new shooter has "got" it. He also said that if they don't break through in two years, they don't break through at all. Observation sadly seems to confirm this. For most of us the journey is fortunately more enjoyable than the destination.

call me stubborn but i intend to break through at 32yrs so that's 4yrs left to train. Ever the optimist but what's the point if you don't think you can.

 

[Sian]

is the 2 yr rule just for those that might be expected to go on to great things or for general shooters because if the latter that depresses me.

 

[jwpzx9r]

See Ian that is my problem I only just started and don't have the 32 years left in me! My body and blinkers will have given me up by then You know something though, which I find a bit strange, most of the shooters I see on the stands down here are past thirty and many past forty and indeed fifty. I see very few, what I would term, young shooters. Today for example there were about 15 shooters and one was less than thirty years of age all of the others were over forty and most over fifty. Ok it was a week day but even weekends there are very few young shooters on the stand.

 

[40UP]

is the 2 yr rule just for those that might be expected to go on to great things or for general shooters because if the latter that depresses me.

No, no Sian it's for national teams and shooting stars. We can all better our own personal milestones. Self esteem = achievement divided by expectation.

 

[ips]

John

when i started in 86 all the top shooters seemed to be in there 40s with a few exceptions, there were very few my age. Therefore i always assumed that i would peak at 40 as i assumed in knowing no different that they had all started young and had taken many years to perfect there craft i soon realised that was not always the case. Of course now there seems to be a wide age range of very good shooters so i remain optimistic.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Well  Ian I am just entering my second full year of shooting trap... if I am not in the running for a place in the next Olympic squad I will know I have failed It is a funny old game though I am sure you will agree? During my first round today I was shooting really well by my own standard and then did the fatal thing I thought is twenty five possible ? Two targets later I missed offt never mind still got a chance next time out What is the secret to success ?  Better not to think about anything other than the next target me thinks !

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Well, see now, you're all counting the years incorrectly.   That's years of shooting not calendar years.  So if you go out to shoot and shoot four rounds that's maybe 20-30min / round   for a total of a couple hours - not a day's shooting, a couple hours.

So if you do that every weekend at the end of a calendar year you have shot about 9 days.  That's why shooting 1K/day pushes the scheme.  Really pretty simple if you just analyse it properly.

Well, anyway, take your time..  There's no hurry.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

all sounds correct to me, the more you do something the less effort and thought is required. We do it to a degree every time we train / practice, top shooters do it to extreme and that is a lot to do with why they are extremely good. You don't get extremely good at anything by thinking about it you get extremely good by doing it a lot.

So I'm guessing that a total dullard with good eyes and reflexes are the shooting ideal.  WOW - that's what I wannabe.  

don't know where I'm gonna get those eyes tho

 

[jwpzx9r]

Mind you 150k shells per year works out at about 17 every hour of every day of every week! These guys seldom miss a first barrel  so that is getting on for 16 rounds per day, some might say utopia but I don't know sounds like it could be hell after the shine wears off Great testing ground for Perazzi though!

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Mind you 150k shells per year works out at about 17 every hour of every day of every week! These guys seldom miss a first barrel  so that is getting on for 16 rounds per day, some might say utopia but I don't know sounds like it could be hell after the shine wears off Great testing ground for Perazzi though!

The good news, of course, is that Perazzis have no problem with that.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I would not argue with you Wonko... but there are others on here who would re side ribs and trigger springs and stocks

 

[Paul120]

I hear of 150,000 shells/year and 3 hour stints on the line and another 3 hours in the afternoon.

I wonder if it helps any if at all standing at the trench all day. In fact I wonder if it's more about justifying being a professional shooter to their sponsors/themselves than anything else, each to their own...

 

[ips]

Well i would.

 

[Paul120]

So would I, for as long as I was enjoying it.

Just wonderiing if so much actually helps performance doing so much. 

I was given the chance to shoot 50 Targets a day for 3 months  when I was 21/22 but decided to do something else instead as it was a split decision between trap shooting and another sport (mind you that didn't turn out that bad). sometimes wished I'd taken the chance then :banghead:  . 

As i've said recently, would love to have the time/facilities to do it now as I believe it's the way to a step increase in my averages. :notfair:

Just think 150000 cartridges/ 6 hours a day could be a bit much and do more harm than good. Imagine what all that recoil is doing to your gyroscopics   :startle: