Why the need to use game cartridges at a clay ground!!!

[Stolly27]

i was at my local shooting ground this weekend and 2 gentlemen were ask to leave the ground after using no5 32g game cartridges. I do not understand why they come to a ground which most people know the rule is normally maximum of no7 28g. i just think it is stupid why they would do it and then all this does is ruin the sport for everyone else. Why carnt they just stick to the rules like everyone else? They would be the first to moan if the ground had to close.

 

[Sian]

i was at my local shooting ground this weekend and 2 gentlemen were ask to leave the ground after using no5 32g game cartridges. I do not understand why they come to a ground which most people know the rule is normally maximum of no7 28g. i just think it is stupid why they would do it and then all this does is ruin the sport for everyone else. Why carnt they just stick to the rules like everyone else? They would be the first to moan if the ground had to close.

Unfortunately there are always numpties about

 

[Hamster]

i was at my local shooting ground this weekend and 2 gentlemen were ask to leave the ground after using no5 32g game cartridges. I do not understand why they come to a ground which most people know the rule is normally maximum of no7 28g. i just think it is stupid why they would do it and then all this does is ruin the sport for everyone else. Why carnt they just stick to the rules like everyone else? They would be the first to moan if the ground had to close.

My guess is they happened to be game shooters who simply didn't know the max shot size and charge rules, it happens from time to time and depending on the circumstances and their subsequent reaction asking them to leave could be a little harsh. 

 

[Sian]

My guess is they happened to be game shooters who simply didn't know the max shot size and charge rules, it happens from time to time and depending on the circumstances and their subsequent reaction asking them to leave could be a little harsh. 

Like I said there are always numpties about.  Sorry a little mean perhaps.  Which ground Stolly27 and are you aware of the circumstances surrounding the request for them to leave. 

 

[Stolly27]

hi Sian it was at the dove ridge clay sports I think they have asked them to leave to prove a bit of a point as over the game season they have caught a lot of people shooting with game loads and have just given warnings out and put more posters up saying about loads being used.

 

[Sian]

hi Sian it was at the dove ridge clay sports I think they have asked them to leave to prove a bit of a point as over the game season they have caught a lot of people shooting with game loads and have just given warnings out and put more posters up saying about loads being used.

So basically not much respect for the ground then if there are warning posters up.  Good for the ground for going through with their sanction, so many would be tempted not to.

 

[Stolly27]

So basically not much respect for the ground then if there are warning posters up.  Good for the ground for going through with their sanction, so many would be tempted not to.

i think they have just done it to prove a point and they know the news would travel fast with shooters.they had problems with it at the beginning of the game season when they opened up a high pheasant stand which was at the top end of the ground and people were going up there practicing and there was a lot of spent game cartridge loads 

 

[Rosso]

There is one shooting ground which shoots reg comp on a Friday which will has notices up saying no shot bigger than 7.5

Yet 6.5 is the biggest allowed.

 

[Salopian]

Is the maximum shot size allowed number 6 @ 2.6mm from CPSA Booklet number 5?

 

[Paul120]

There is one shooting ground which shoots reg comp on a Friday which will has notices up saying no shot bigger than 7.5

Yet 6.5 is the biggest allowed.

It maybe that.anything bigger could possibly go beyond the saftey fallout area of that particular ground.

At our local ground they had to rban the use of 1 1/4 0z of 3s &4s for the walk back ABT pool shoot off could possibly reach a footpath.  

I was at a shoot last year where some guys were using 3 1/2 inch steel goose loads.. the ground owner had no problems with it as it was safe enouge and wasn't a comp. 

Looked a bit too muck like hard work  and not much fun shooting them though.

I did some ABT prsctice wiyh 1 1/8 5s. The kills were very impressive. 

Funnily enough 2 1/2 oz out of a 10 bore weren't as good. (Using them up after lead wss banned for wildfowling) 

*note* -  this all was done with the ground owners permission. 

 

[Mike L]

There were some 6/30's in the buckets at paddock wood today (not mine) have to say it's the first visit there for me, was suitably impressed with the setup.

mike

 

[chippy]

1 1/8oz  6s are very good on edge on rabbit clays. 

So I've been told.

 

[Simonix]

Some idiot was shooting 3.5 inch 42g  BB carts at kibworth recently! They found the empty cases in the bins! 

What these people don't realise is that this can void grounds insurance and could get them shut down!

 

[Salopian]

Just a note of caution !

If people are using reloads, which is allowed for practice, there could be cases with 36 gram 3 written upon them , but those cases may have been reloaded with 28, 24 or 21 gram of shot.

So for clayshooting the maximum load should be 28gram and maximum pellets size used can be number 6 @ 2.6 mm diameter.

In Doveridge's case we must remember that the owner  Lord Bramley does shoot Pheasants on his estate. Plus he does have a couple of Pikey's running his Gunshop 

 

[Sian]

There are certain grounds though are there not that do not allow reloads practise or competition.

 

[westley]

I know a lot of game shooters, who are occasional clay shooters. I feel that they would be unaware of the 28 gram rule on a clay ground. You can recognise them at any clay ground, they are the ones carrying their 30 and 32 gram cartridges in a cartridge bag and appear unable to count to 10 or however many they are required to shoot on a stand. They then have a need to get more cartridges from the bag, wherever that may have been deposited. They will be the same people who remove a CLOSED gun from it's slip and wave said gun around, whilst looking for a nice clean, dry place to place the slip. As for the signage declaring 28 gram cartridges only, if they are unable to read the ear defenders and safety glasses MUST be worn at all times when shooting and adhere to that, the 28 gram bit has 'No Chance' !   Oh yes, and they all have the need to demonstrate their guns ability to toss used cartridges into the next County.  Bless them !    

 

[FloodDefence]

Was at meadowcroft on Sunday, I'm a bit of a regular there but it does seem to attract the type of people mentioned by Westly above, various hunting and gun dog patches sewn onto jackets/waistcoats, leather cartridge bags over the shoulder etc.. Most of them couldn't hit a cow on the arse at 10 paces with a handful of rice though which worries me a little as they generally shoot at live things, chipped clays don't suffer!. For those of you familiar with the ground I was standing near the newish wooden shelter when a guy on a nearby stand (far enough away not to be wearing plugs usually) took a shot and I actually flinched, don't know what load it was but I've not heard a 28g go off with such a crack and nobody said a word, maybe I should have but don't really feel it to be my place. Certainly don't mean this to be a criticism of the ground itself it's generally well run and great place to shoot and I understand that you can't police every shooter.

 

[DoubleBarrelledDon]

I came back to a stand to find a guy walking up to it with a pumpgun over his shoulder on a sling.... exchanged pleasantries and asked him what he was shooting... "32 gram reloads for a friend who shoots practical....."   at which point I made it clear that no he wouldnt be shooting any reloads or any 32 gram loads on the ground, and that he had already walked past a sign on the clubhouse door saying that reloads and anything over 28 grams were banned! ... it was then that he took the pump off his shoulder and "shucked" the magazine empty....... !!!!!!

To say I was speechless would be an understatement..............

 

[Salopian]

Well as a Ground owner you should have also pointed out that is against CPSA rules to use a gun with a sling or strap attached!

BUT how many do we see at numerous grounds all over the country.

Yet another example of people not knowing the rules , but more importantly NOT CARING about rules.