Bebo
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Maybe the rest of us just aren't highbrow enough to quote J P Morgan the way you did IPS. :wink:
A Lesson with Ed.
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Anybody who was truly serious about their need for good tuition from a world champion would not be asking how much it costs for a lesson, they would be enquiring as to where they should go for said lesson. Some time back The great Michael Diamond was doing a series of Olympic trap coaching sessions in the UK I would definitely have taken something from that experience but it would have cost me the best part of £1200 to do it from here... that is almost a years cartridges so I was out ... I want to progress but I am not that serious. But had I lived in the UK I would not have hesitated probably the experience of a lifetime same goes for those who have been coached by DK they all said wow what an experience!
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I know where I needed to go as I know he is based in the midlands so there a few grounds within a hours travel that he coaches at I just wanted a rough price for the hour I've found it now so job done.
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You will know more than about that than most being a follower of the team formerly known as Rangers... how are things going for them at the moment ?
Anyway Beechin good to hear you are sorted for the coaching... don't listen to Darkside he is just a tool. Sorry that should be fool.
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megga contradiction you said earlier how bloody wonderful it was to be coached by a world champ. At least try to be credible
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should have started that with "I know your trying to be funny but" however I like to get straight to the point
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ips I got the quote and I am not that old. Must admit I did not know it orginated from JP Morgan so I also learnt something useful 
Also gotta agree with James - who would go for a lesson without knowing how much its costing?
Also gotta agree with James - who would go for a lesson without knowing how much its costing?
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Not wanting to pour water on anyone's flames, or get involved in any personal conflicts, but some of the best coaches I have come across are not those that are, or have ever been at the top of their tree in their chosen sport.
Now I've never had a shooting lesson, so I'm not commenting directly on any of the coaches or World Champions that inhabit these pages, but I have had experience of top level coaching in other fields and have always found that the serious teachers are those that have studied the art of teaching, rather than the art of performance.
I have no idea on the coaching capability of the shooting coaches mentioned here, I have only recently become aware of some of their personal achievements, and I have no personal interest in any of their businesses (which is essentially what they are promoting, and having a personal high achievement does no harm to their credibilty), but I will say that if you look behind some of the top performers in any sport, you will find their coaches/mentors/trainers etc. are very seldom known for their own personal achievements.
Nothing wrong with being good at your sport, but you can't always transmit your skills to others in the way that your pupils would expect, so don't always look for an achiever, rather look for a known teacher.
I expect there are some exceptions, but a top coach being a top performer is a rare beast indeed.
Now I've never had a shooting lesson, so I'm not commenting directly on any of the coaches or World Champions that inhabit these pages, but I have had experience of top level coaching in other fields and have always found that the serious teachers are those that have studied the art of teaching, rather than the art of performance.
I have no idea on the coaching capability of the shooting coaches mentioned here, I have only recently become aware of some of their personal achievements, and I have no personal interest in any of their businesses (which is essentially what they are promoting, and having a personal high achievement does no harm to their credibilty), but I will say that if you look behind some of the top performers in any sport, you will find their coaches/mentors/trainers etc. are very seldom known for their own personal achievements.
Nothing wrong with being good at your sport, but you can't always transmit your skills to others in the way that your pupils would expect, so don't always look for an achiever, rather look for a known teacher.
I expect there are some exceptions, but a top coach being a top performer is a rare beast indeed.
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hallelujah
THE best post of 2015 by far.
totally agree have said same many times in fact five mins ago via email said exactly that to a fellow forum member. That bloke who coached faldo is prime example. Old saying those that can do those that cant teach.
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not aimed at ed or anyone else just general.
THE best post of 2015 by far.
totally agree have said same many times in fact five mins ago via email said exactly that to a fellow forum member. That bloke who coached faldo is prime example. Old saying those that can do those that cant teach.
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not aimed at ed or anyone else just general.
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P1Fanatic
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That particular discussion could run forever as it will never be that black and white. Wasn't that UAE chap who coached Peter Wilson to Olympic Trap and now Steve Scott, a very successful trap shooter in his own right?
Lets face it most of us on here are never going to hit the dizzy heights of the Olympics, World Championships, ISSF World Cups etc. We just want to get to that next level in terms of score, classification etc. The problem is there are a lot of "instructors" floating around with no credentials other than maybe a basic CPSA course many moons ago. Some are cowboys who like shooting and seem to think they can just jump straight into coaching others. I see a few down my local ground giving their clients all the advice then shooting the targets and failing badly. At least if you pick someone who was won things in your discipline you know that they know what they are talking about and have put it into practice. To be able to show you what they have been telling you is very effective imho. A picture paints a thousand words!
Lets face it most of us on here are never going to hit the dizzy heights of the Olympics, World Championships, ISSF World Cups etc. We just want to get to that next level in terms of score, classification etc. The problem is there are a lot of "instructors" floating around with no credentials other than maybe a basic CPSA course many moons ago. Some are cowboys who like shooting and seem to think they can just jump straight into coaching others. I see a few down my local ground giving their clients all the advice then shooting the targets and failing badly. At least if you pick someone who was won things in your discipline you know that they know what they are talking about and have put it into practice. To be able to show you what they have been telling you is very effective imho. A picture paints a thousand words!
No real disagreement there but a great many members on here have used Ed which is an indicator of affordability surely? As to the coach thing well there are definitely good coaches in other sports who have been good at their sport without being great that is true. I will paraphrase the much missed Nicola and say I would rather be coached by someone who has been the distance to be honest. So if I was a hedge monkey a great coach like Ed is someone who would be on my radar for lessons.ips I got the quote and I am not that old. Must admit I did not know it orginated from JP Morgan so I also learnt something useful
Also gotta agree with James - who would go for a lesson without knowing how much its costing?
I know of one person would became a bowls coach not because he had a natural ability to communicate his wisdom or indeed that he was actually that good at the sport but because he took the time and attended a course which gave him a certificate stating that he was a certified bowls coach!
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Rosso
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Why I picked Ed. Iv seen him shoot, he is left handed, shoots a proper gun K and recommendation.
I have been with 7 different coaches in last 5 years. Ed is the 8th.
All the other coaches tried to get me to shoot their way with little structure to the lesson. May be that's what some people need.
What I liked about Ed is he did not do this. He checked gun fit, a basic requirement, proceeded to my problem birds and advised some simple fixes showed me some secrete stuff that works, don't know how but it does, he could also replicate what I was doing wrong and show this to me, just sometimes you need to see this. Since the lesson I've had two B class scores, all the rest have been AA and AAA scores, yesterday glitch B score heavy rain and other issues, which I raised on another post.
Its all about finding a coach you like and suits you and realising when you need some help, not just firing thousands of shells hoping time on the range = AAA.
I have spent more on other coaches + clays + corkage for using own shells and more or less felt I was being ripped of for every last penny.
I new roughly what I was going to spend but it was secondary to being able to spend a morning with someone who knows his stuff.
I have been with 7 different coaches in last 5 years. Ed is the 8th.
All the other coaches tried to get me to shoot their way with little structure to the lesson. May be that's what some people need.
What I liked about Ed is he did not do this. He checked gun fit, a basic requirement, proceeded to my problem birds and advised some simple fixes showed me some secrete stuff that works, don't know how but it does, he could also replicate what I was doing wrong and show this to me, just sometimes you need to see this. Since the lesson I've had two B class scores, all the rest have been AA and AAA scores, yesterday glitch B score heavy rain and other issues, which I raised on another post.
Its all about finding a coach you like and suits you and realising when you need some help, not just firing thousands of shells hoping time on the range = AAA.
I have spent more on other coaches + clays + corkage for using own shells and more or less felt I was being ripped of for every last penny.
I new roughly what I was going to spend but it was secondary to being able to spend a morning with someone who knows his stuff.
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my fencing coach was / is at least twenty stone and was a far cry from a world class fencer BUT boy did he know his stuff and was a great coach. I trained on occasions with his coach a Hungarian fencing master ex European ex world champ etc etc. He obviously knew his stuff BUT he wasn't as good a coach..just saying
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Was this ship lap, weave, post and rail, feather edge fencing?
Did not know there were championships in fencing.
How deep do you put the posts in. Would you use met posts or are they a bodge.
Jusy saying.?
Did not know there were championships in fencing.
How deep do you put the posts in. Would you use met posts or are they a bodge.
Jusy saying.?
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