After market chokes

[Salopian]

Perhaps we should all take breath and think this through?

There is a market for aftermarket accessories , otherwise the product would die a natural death.

Perhaps before we get too excited and rude to each other we ought to evaluate the marketing hype?

Mortum obviously , by his own admission has a vested interest in Extreme Chokes, Nick Truter likes Muller , many of us like Briley and Teague .

They all have a place and a use , but it is far more than constriction and pattern .

It can also be weight , performance, usefullness  and price.

It is all salesmanship.

Check out Lloyd Pattersons Beretta DT11 Black video clip where great store is placed in the usefullness of barrel weights , but the Beretta Representative struggles to remove the forend and quickly moves on . Rather than spend fortunes on 2017 -2018 gimmick weights , consider altering the dynamics with flush chokes, extended chokes , extra extended chokes , ported chokes , steel chokes , titanium chokes , aluminium chokes . OR just go shooting . 

 

[Sian]

Perhaps we should all take breath and think this through?

There is a market for aftermarket accessories , otherwise the product would die a natural death.

Perhaps before we get too excited and rude to each other we ought to evaluate the marketing hype?

Mortum obviously , by his own admission has a vested interest in Extreme Chokes, Nick Truter likes Muller , many of us like Briley and Teague .

They all have a place and a use , but it is far more than constriction and pattern .

It can also be weight , performance, usefullness  and price.

It is all salesmanship.

Check out Lloyd Pattersons Beretta DT11 Black video clip where great store is placed in the usefullness of barrel weights , but the Beretta Representative struggles to remove the forend and quickly moves on . Rather than spend fortunes on 2017 -2018 gimmick weights , consider altering the dynamics with flush chokes, extended chokes , extra extended chokes , ported chokes , steel chokes , titanium chokes , aluminium chokes . OR just go shooting . 

ported chokes the work of the devil.

 

[schmokinn]

Perhaps we should all take breath and think this through?

There is a market for aftermarket accessories , otherwise the product would die a natural death.

Perhaps before we get too excited and rude to each other we ought to evaluate the marketing hype?

Mortum obviously , by his own admission has a vested interest in Extreme Chokes, Nick Truter likes Muller , many of us like Briley and Teague .

They all have a place and a use , but it is far more than constriction and pattern .

It can also be weight , performance, usefullness  and price.

It is all salesmanship.

Check out Lloyd Pattersons Beretta DT11 Black video clip where great store is placed in the usefullness of barrel weights , but the Beretta Representative struggles to remove the forend and quickly moves on . Rather than spend fortunes on 2017 -2018 gimmick weights , consider altering the dynamics with flush chokes, extended chokes , extra extended chokes , ported chokes , steel chokes , titanium chokes , aluminium chokes . OR just go shooting . 

I am choking on the wealth of choking possibilities.

I have no problem with people bigging up there product...it is when they "forget" to mention it is their product,they are promoting the product,they are sponsored by the manufacturer,they have other ulterior motives,etc...

Funnily there is one AA shooter that at the moment seems quite aggressive when you mention any of his sponsors in a light that he is not happy with,i believe Hamster had a discussion with him about cartridges recently

 

[Hamster]

I am choking on the wealth of choking possibilities.

I have no problem with people bigging up there product...it is when they "forget" to mention it is their product,they are promoting the product,they are sponsored by the manufacturer,they have other ulterior motives,etc...

Funnily there is one AA shooter that at the moment seems quite aggressive when you mention any of his sponsors in a light that he is not happy with,i believe Hamster had a discussion with him about cartridges recently

I too have no problem with sponsored shooters promoting and talking positively about products they're associated with, it is after all the whole point a company has bothered to support them. But we have to be careful that it doesn't become obsessive, petty or antagonistic towards others, when it comes to chokes we often hear people say they prefer one to the other because they perform better but rarely (try never) are we treated to an explanation of what that performance entails. 

 

[Salopian]

Hamster ,

 I think free products often perform better than expensive ones  :???:

schmokinn , I LOVE discussions about cartridges , please point me in the right direction.

Sian , some ported chokes can whistle 'Dixie' when you miss .

 

[Guest]

Mortum,

 What is the difference in weight of your chokes and Krieghoff Titanium chokes and the cost please?

Mortum, could you please pm me too? TIA

 

[chippy]

Different choke denominations have different specific weights within the exact same type and brand, meaning a Skeet insert is always going to weight less than a Full ! Despite being a massive fan of shotgun barrels below 1500g (in 32" format) I have also long stated my own inability to detect the "balance" differences between extended standard, extended lights (such as Unobtanium or Muller) and flush versions, anyone who can feel 20g variances at the end of their tubes has my utmost respect, I'd be tempted to earn some beer money by asking to witness this feat in a blind test. Somehow I think this phenomenon and its affect on ones scores is over exaggerated, otherwise people will be complaining of missed birds when they swap from 3/4 down to Cyl for a close bird cos it upset their swing. 

There is no doubt some chokes are heavier/lighter than others but that in itself means very little unless it happens to have a negative impact on a given shooters scores solely because. 

The primary function of chokes is to increase/decrease the density of the shot pattern and in that regard there is nothing to choose between one brand or the next. 

So all this time I thought the larger pattern of the cylinder choke was gaining me targets I've been wrong and its the lighter weight. If I purchase Muller's I can use full and full. Now where is my credit card.

 

[westley]

So all this time I thought the larger pattern of the cylinder choke was gaining me targets I've been wrong and its the lighter weight. If I purchase Muller's I can use full and full. Now where is my credit card.

I have heard they are  "Nice, Nice Baby "  but I only have the 'Bear' facts   !

P.S.

Before you ask,  I am like the original Olympic Flame...................................I never go out    !

 

[Wonko the Sane]

 anyone who can feel 20g variances at the end of their tubes has my utmost respect,

Insensitive clot that I am, I can feel the difference.  That's nearly an oz and that is a BUNCHA weight hanging on the end of the barrel.  Noticeable enough that I do not shoot that barrel all that much and it is a light barrel too.

 

[mortum]

Perhaps we should all take breath and think this through?

There is a market for aftermarket accessories , otherwise the product would die a natural death.

Perhaps before we get too excited and rude to each other we ought to evaluate the marketing hype?

Mortum obviously , by his own admission has a vested interest in Extreme Chokes, Nick Truter likes Muller , many of us like Briley and Teague .

They all have a place and a use , but it is far more than constriction and pattern .

It can also be weight , performance, usefullness  and price.

It is all salesmanship.

I too have no problem with sponsored shooters promoting and talking positively about products they're associated with, it is after all the whole point a company has bothered to support them. But we have to be careful that it doesn't become obsessive, petty or antagonistic towards others, when it comes to chokes we often hear people say they prefer one to the other because they perform better but rarely (try never) are we treated to an explanation of what that performance entails. 

Thank you Salopian and Hamster for your voices of reason.

schmokinn, I just re-read my initial post and I didn't find any claims that the Extreme Chokes perform better than the other brands. Moreover, I specifically stated that in my opinion "there is no significant difference in performance between aftermarket chokes". My "promotion" was solely based on my own preference to have lighter chokes and the end of my barrels as well as the chokes' esthetics and appearance. Am I biased because I have vested interest? Yes. Does it mean that I am trying to promote the product while misrepresenting it's quality or performance? No. In any case, I am not here to argue - I am just sharing like every one else.

 

[Oldblaster]

It's just "bling" all in the mind, too many variables to discern one choke manufacturer from another, they will all do the job if the shot is put in the right place.

 

[Will Hewland]

Choke fiddling is for those who want to be 100% in control of something that affects 1% of their shooting.

 

[AW13]

Choke fiddling is for those who want to be 100% in control of something that affects 1% of their shooting.

Good quote.

I usually just leave a 1/4 in and change to skeet for skeet, makes it so much easier not thinking about chokes.

 

[westley]

I am just a lazy owld git and leave in 1/4 and 1/4 for everything (I do not do 'Trap').    :angel:

 

[Will Hewland]

I like the burned orange colour of the chokes in my Blaser. Turns out they are 1/4. 

 

[balltrap]

I am just a lazy owld git and leave in 1/4 and 1/4 for everything (I cannot do 'Trap' its to hard).    :angel:

I guessed thats why  :wink:

 

[westley]

I guessed thats why  :wink:

Says a dedicated Trap shooter  !  Guess you find it is JUST trap that is hard nowadays  ?      :angel: