Birds Only or Competition?

[ips]

Pray tell,   i need to know if i need to bow or curtsey next time x   :santa:

sian has the same maiden name as my mother which is hesketh who are or were landed gentry in lancashire amongst other places we therefore consider ourselves much higher up the social ladder than the rest of you peasants

 

[PhilS]

sian has the same maiden name as my mother which is hesketh who are or were landed gentry in lancashire amongst other places we therefore consider ourselves much higher up the social ladder than the rest of you peasants

m'lud  :hi:

 

[ips]

Thank you peasant now get back to work.

 

[PhilS]

If only I had work to go to Sir  :fie:

 

[Santa2512]

sian has the same maiden name as my mother which is hesketh who are or were landed gentry in lancashire amongst other places we therefore consider ourselves much higher up the social ladder than the rest of you peasants

As in Lord Hesketh, 

He of motorcycle fame & the springboard to Mr Hunts F1 career    I am in awe  

:santa:

 

[ips]

Yes but 15 miles from me is rufford hall the home of the hesketh family not sure if or how they are related to lord hesketh of bike fame or if sian and i are actually related in anyway but its possible i spose

 

[ehb102]

Yes but 15 miles from me is rufford hall the home of the hesketh family not sure if or how they are related to lord hesketh of bike fame or if sian and i are actually related in anyway but its possible i spose

Same family. Alex Hesketh lived at Easton Neston which came to his family through marriage to the Fermors. First Baron Hesketh sold Rufford Hall to the National Trust in the 1930s.

 

[maddmatt]

Absolutely agree Julesy.  Bang on the money. (no puns intended  :wink: )

So this means that those of us that are not in CPSA, can't shoot in that comp without paying for something we can't possibly win?

I somehow feel that the pockets of plenty of ground owners will be considerably lighter if this is the case.  I shoot in the reg comps at Orston (amongst others) as often as I can, always BO because even if I am High Gun (just hang on till I stop laughing) I get diddly squat because I am not a member of CPSA.

The other side of what this infers is that every clay shooter must be in CPSA??  I am sure that the likes of BASC would not support this stance, and not many of us recreational shooters can afford to be in both.  If you can then fair play, enjoy. If we are then faced with the choice of "you can only shoot in comps if you are in the CPSA, or only use non reg grounds" and are considering whether to join said organisation, with all the talk (on here and other places) of the ridiculous state it is in, why on earth would we?  Get on board a sinking ship? Or even one that appears to have no Captain at the helm?  

Not for me ta.

So the way forward?  See Julesy!!

Actually you can be a member of another association such as NCSA, much cheaper per year etc, you would then be entitled to win Majors and class wins. I can't really see what the issue is, make all Majors and selection shoots one class of entry, ie remove the BO option and get on wifh it, don't like it don't shoot the event, simples...

 

[no.1topdog]

Sorry, out of context comment!

 

[no.1topdog]

Opps! Ignore that one above from me. Phone didn't update all the messages. I can see this has been covered now.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Hahaha you should see the Facebook row about this one going on..... Laughingoutloud....!!

I cannot post on it but have been sent it. People do not want Birds Only on there and even Steve Lovatt may be looking at changing it.

Good man Steve....be brave.

They don't much like Cpsa either.

Good job they don't shoot fast trap.....or they would not be liking BICTSF or BS either.... :laugh:

Better get used to it all folks (the no choice .....and the telling people what to do) because (as a side issue) there is a stealth move going on in our sport right now....to steal the control of it...and because we are all so separated.....we are easy to be picked off.

I wrote this move down about 6 years ago....warned about it....now I sit back and watch....I love being right.

The majority of shooters not being interested .....is exactly why this move can be made....!!

But as per usual.....I think they have also played their hand too quick. Lets see what happens.

:laugh:

 

[bostonmick]

Surely any ground owners who do not want birds only can make comps just that.or am I mistaken.

 

[Santa2512]

Hahaha you should see the Facebook row about this one going on..... Laughingoutloud....!!

I cannot post on it but have been sent it. People do not want Birds Only on there and even Steve Lovatt may be looking at changing it.

Good man Steve....be brave.

They don't much like Cpsa either.

Good job they don't shoot fast trap.....or they would not be liking BICTSF or BS either.... :laugh:

Better get used to it all folks (the no choice .....and the telling people what to do) because (as a side issue) there is a stealth move going on in our sport right now....to steal the control of it...and because we are all so separated.....we are easy to be picked off.

I wrote this move down about 6 years ago....warned about it....now I sit back and watch....I love being right.

The majority of shooters not being interested .....is exactly why this move can be made....!!

But as per usual.....I think they have also played their hand too quick. Lets see what happens.

:laugh:

Linky to FB page if poss please Tink 

:santa:

 

[Nimbusgb]

Interesting @Tinker bell.

If that is the case it could have really interesting repercussions in the game.

Where is this facebook 'discussion' taking place.

 

[Salopian]

Could someone please explain to me where the problem is with B/O entries?

Competition entries pay £5? which B/O shooters have no access to or want.

Two competitions running seamlessly along together using the same targets etc. Where is the problem?

If ground owners ban B/O we all pay slightly more for our shooting and good, former B/O shooters will win prize money.

The B/O shooters who cannot afford or justify the extra cost will find somewhere else to shoot , end result equals less turnover for the ground owner.

Where actually is the issue that creates six pages of protestation?

 

[maddmatt]

No problems with it on a sunday, don't agree with it in majors for the reasons previously stated...

 

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No problems with it on a sunday, don't agree with it in majors for the reasons previously stated...

+1

 

[Clynt]

the clue is in the word " competition " surely ??? you are in and at a competition ...it is not a practise round, or a club shoot or a bit of fun on a sunday ...it's a chance to to perform under rules and have your abilities recorded , you can also watch world class shooters perform !! and stand with in touching distance and learn first hand how and where they shoot !!! no other sport offers this ? make the most of your chance to see different methods and don't moan about hard targets look and learn ......you might just surprise yourself...

 

[PhilS]

the clue is in the word " competition " surely ??? you are in and at a competition ...it is not a practise round, or a club shoot or a bit of fun on a sunday ...it's a chance to to perform under rules and have your abilities recorded , you can also watch world class shooters perform !! and stand with in touching distance and learn first hand how and where they shoot !!! no other sport offers this ? make the most of your chance to see different methods and don't moan about hard targets look and learn ......you might just surprise yourself...

Clynt,  this is not about who you can shoot with or what you may see.  It is about paying in to a pool that you cannot win a part of.

I agree with those above that say don't do it for the Majors and selection shoots etc.  These are pure comp and cannot be compared with the reg comps on a weekend.  As a non member (CPSA) if I wanted to take part in a Major or selection shoot then I have to bite the bullet and pay for the experience, but not on a regular weekend shoot.

Salop - couldn't agree more - s'what I said earlier above  :hi:

 

[PhilS]

Actually you can be a member of another association such as NCSA, much cheaper per year etc, you would then be entitled to win Majors and class wins. I can't really see what the issue is, make all Majors and selection shoots one class of entry, ie remove the BO option and get on wifh it, don't like it don't shoot the event, simples...

Matt, where can I find details?