Birds Only or Competition?

[bostonmick]

Just out of interest....and I may regret this.....but.....what do you expect to be done for your £60? You get a magazine 10 times, your scores registered and you get to play 'birds only' on a squad with an 'expert'. Lots of free experts in CPSA. So what else is missing ? (Oh you get a club league as well.....or you can go on a pathway (leading to FKW)....or learn to be a coach.....and then coach the next Olympian)

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I am a member and advocate that all shooters should belong to an organisation if for nothing else the insurance.the magazine on occasion has a snippet worth reading.and how would I ever decide on which new model of gun to buy without the comprehensive tests they do.well the name of gun is changed the reort says the same.from a £300 baikal to a £15k perazzi they are always the finest ever made.i must admit that none of the clubs I use have ever mentioned any club league.i would ask if you could define the expert that it allows us mere mortals to shoot alongside as we play birds only.i will say I have over the years shot in squads that included some excellent shots.county.national and European level.most of these have been extremely friendly and decent people.however a few I could only describe at times as whiners and cheats who behaved in a disgraceful manner when missing a bird.arguing with the referee to a point where sometimes the ground owner has been called.somewhat spoiling the day for others.or is that their field of expertise.

 

[Doctor Lecter]

I think being on the county cpsa is a difficult thankless job , having said that no one forces em !   Lincolnshire don't even have class prizes  only overall winner trophy , some plastic discoloured  dated junk ,  no point in shooting for lincs  no incentive  at all .    £40 entry at lincs sporting  this year ,way too much  , more fool me I suppose , im off now to lie in a dark room .

 

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Not sure who is talking to who here...but for clarity....i was asking Deer hunter what he wanted or expected for his £60 membership. I do not really understand the bostonmick quote or if it is a general statement or a reply to me.

Hope that helps 

 

[bostonmick]

I think being on the county cpsa is a difficult thankless job , having said that no one forces em ! Lincolnshire don't even have class prizes only overall winner trophy , some plastic discoloured dated junk , no point in shooting for lincs no incentive at all . £40 entry at lincs sporting this year ,way too much , more fool me I suppose , im off now to lie in a dark room .

I shot this I paid £32 for birds only.in fact I went round twice.

 

[bostonmick]

Not sure who is talking to who here...but for clarity....i was asking Deer hunter what he wanted or expected for his £60 membership. I do not really understand the bostonmick quote or if it is a general statement or a reply to me.

Hope that helps

Mostly a general comment on cpsa membership only question was about your reference to shooting with experts and a little of my experience.also I hasten to add I was not meaning myself when talking county.national and inter.i could never reach those dizzy heights.

 

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.i would ask if you could define the expert that it allows us mere mortals to shoot alongside as we play birds only.

Just re read some of it and hope this helps Bostonmicky.

I was referring to comments that shooters on here have made several times in the past. If you follow posts on this topic you will see that some birds only shooters say that a great benefit is being able to shoot with the 'experts' meaning a world champ (Ed darling now) or a GB team member etc etc etc on the same line / squad as them.

I have personally never really understood why that would be a draw. But some people do.

But that is confusing the question of mine (i might add)...which was to Deerhunter  and that was asking him to tell what more he actually wanted. HE seemed to say he was not getting enough for his £60 and I have no idea what he thought he should get or what he actually wanted extra.

Also Bostonmick...as you copied my post afterwards...i am not sure if you want something else for your £60 or not...you see all these cuts away from the question can get a bit confusing. 

I might check in again later....

 

[bostonmick]

I ask for nothing from my membership than the insurance and that they at least stand up for the sport against those who would see its demise

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Could someone please explain to me where the problem is with B/O entries?

Competition entries pay £5? which B/O shooters have no access to or want.

Two competitions running seamlessly along together using the same targets etc. Where is the problem?

If ground owners ban B/O we all pay slightly more for our shooting and good, former B/O shooters will win prize money.

The B/O shooters who cannot afford or justify the extra cost will find somewhere else to shoot , end result equals less turnover for the ground owner.

Where actually is the issue that creates six pages of protestation?

I know this is redundant and I just couldn't slog thru all the pages

here is my comment from alternative rankings - same solution

I've mentioned this before so nothing new 

any average based system inherently sux and a sporting average system is just ridiculous when there is no "standard" course - - so

Open Class for the $ and HOA.  Current class payouts are a joke - why bother?

Lewis classes for everybody else and trinkets (http://www.nssa-nsca...lass_System.pdf

no cheats, no sandbagging possible  you just shoot your best and go for it.  

 

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I ask for nothing from my membership than the insurance and that they at least stand up for the sport against those who would see its demise

Yes it is sad that they do not though.

I am sure you will have been up to date with the weekends developments in international selection and the British Shooting letter. It is very sad for the sport....especially when there was for once such a great turn out for OT after all the hard work by Keith Kilvington and Steve Ling as the directors.

P.s. Who do you think wants its demise?

 

[Julesy]

I think being on the county cpsa is a difficult thankless job , having said that no one forces em !   Lincolnshire don't even have class prizes  only overall winner trophy , some plastic discoloured  dated junk ,  no point in shooting for lincs  no incentive  at all .    £40 entry at lincs sporting  this year ,way too much  , more fool me I suppose , im off now to lie in a dark room .

I know quite a few of the Lincs Committee and this isn't actually true. For some disciplines there is just a HG Trophy but they are for the disciplines that fewer people shoot. The main (and well supported) disciplines have trophies for every category and class, there is also glassware that you keep - most counties do not have that.

Also the committee do not set the prices for the competitions that is down to the grounds. Lincs CPSA actually do a fair amount for the County and if you researched some of the other Counties/Regions you would realise that you aren't being served badly.

 

[bostonmick]

Yes it is sad that they do not though.

I am sure you will have been up to date with the weekends developments in international selection and the British Shooting letter. It is very sad for the sport....especially when there was for once such a great turn out for OT after all the hard work by Keith Kilvington and Steve Ling as the directors.

P.s. Who do you think wants its demise?[/quote

The same misguided souls who saw the end of fox hunting. And as a game shooter I am sure you have had experience of the saboteurs

 

[ehb102]

P.s. Who do you think wants its demise?

Never put down to malice what can be reasonably attributed to incompetence.

My second guess is that whatever is going on is a Masonic plot.

 

[maddmatt]

In an amateur sport I don't see why I should be forced to pay money to another participant. In fact I'd go as far as to propose that an enforced participation in a 'for reward' game might be illegal.

Those who believe that they are entitled to a cut of peoples pocket money should tread very carefully!

Nothing illegal about it at all, its not a game of chance, it is a game of skill...

The solution is obvious and doesn't require anyone to do anything diffently, all you have to do is read the last 7 pages and its staring you in the face...

 

[Deershooter]

Tinker bell please at least get my name right !

What do I expect from the CPSA

An organisation that helps the club shooter, to stop wasting our (the members) money

What is the use of the pull mag 20,000 members pick it up look at the adverts go to their county region write up and then bin it

The fixtures and results are in most other mags which are better read . The cost of this mag is ridiculous and it's crap !

I can not understand why 11 staff need £500,000 in wages when they struggle to find outside sponsorship for any competition .

Why don't we see the CEO at any thing other than a major comp it's even hard to get regional representation at county championships

The major competitions are just a cash generator for the fat cats at the CPSA without all us club shooters shooting the majors the fat cats would not have there flash cars and big wages.

YES I DO SHOOT SOME OF THEM AND HAVE ONLY EVER GONE BIRDS ONLY IN ONE COMPERTITION IT COST ME £50 in lost winnings

 

[maddmatt]

Here is a thought, just an idea... What if we scrapped the County and Regional aspects of the sport and only had the. CPSA at the top? County participation is on the wane and the regionals appear to be back stabbing empire building affairs...

But back on topic.... Major shoots needs to be just that, they are not sunday club shoots and never should be, do you think you can enter the British Open (golf) on Thursday and enter on any other basis than full competition? Majors should be the pinnacle of our sport and should be treated as such, a prestige event that you want to enter and COMPETE in....

 

[TobyM]

If you enter a registered competition, you are in the competition. The clue's in the name

If you want to chuck in an extra £5 wager, that's fine.

We need to drop the term 'birds only' because it's incorrect. We shoot competition or cash prizes.

 

[Salopian]

If you wished you could enter the Open as an amateur !

If we scrapped County & Regional Committees and shoots any funding and administration would go to CPSA HQ to administer.

We all know how efficient they are at managing funds !

How about scrapping CPSA HQ? Instantly giving access to over £500,000 in funds from not having to pay salaries.

I know that is a BIT nonsensical, but not too bad when you consider that Counties and Regions are administered more efficiently by largely volunteer staff.

 

[maddmatt]

Sal - that is incorrect, the Open is not open to anyone, amateurs usually have to qualify or be invited to the event. I also have to disagree with you about the county and regional committees, about as much administration skills as a blind badger, meetings that drone on and on about the good old days, no we won't change anything because in our view nothing is broken... really? So why are County events so poorly attended, why does no one give a flying monkey whether they get a county shooting team badge or win a county title?

Anyway.... back on topic, I think my suggestion is the fairest, all in favour say AYE!!

 

[Will Hewland]

If you enter a registered competition, you are in the competition. The clue's in the name

If you want to chuck in an extra £5 wager, that's fine.

We need to drop the term 'birds only' because it's incorrect. We shoot competition or cash prizes.

Actually there are three types of entry at all ordinary reg shoots these days. 1. Practice cards (non CPSA members). 2. Targets only; CPSA members doing the registered shoot competition and having their scores recorded and 3. CPSA members also going for any cash prizes.
There is often confusion about the birds only term, where 1 and 2 get intermingled.. Refs get confused often..

 

[bostonmick]

As above nothing is broken so leave things alone.some shoot for the pure enjoyment some to attain county or national status and at the moment the two can proceed together with no detriment to shooting in fact anything that brings in the crowds to our grounds can only ensure our grounds futures.i am just thankfully that shooting is not an elitist and money driven sport like so many others that have been ruined in this way.