Birds Only or Competition?

[Will Hewland]

As above nothing is broken so leave things alone.some shoot for the pure enjoyment some to attain county or national status and at the moment the two can proceed together with no detriment to shooting in fact anything that brings in the crowds to our grounds can only ensure our grounds futures.i am just thankfully that shooting is not an elitist and money driven sport like so many others that have been ruined in this way.

I agree but hope the non CPSA practice cards remain in the minority and that they are for people having a taster who will soon join up and get stuck in properly. (I am shooting a lot with a mate at the moment who is a game shooter who wants to sharpen up. He is really enjoying the competition side and may join up).

 

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Tinker bell please at least get my name right !

What do I expect from the CPSA

An organisation that helps the club shooter, to stop wasting our (the members) money

What is the use of the pull mag 20,000 members pick it up look at the adverts go to their county region write up and then bin it

The fixtures and results are in most other mags which are better read . The cost of this mag is ridiculous and it's crap !

I can not understand why 11 staff need £500,000 in wages when they struggle to find outside sponsorship for any competition .

Why don't we see the CEO at any thing other than a major comp it's even hard to get regional representation at county championships

The major competitions are just a cash generator for the fat cats at the CPSA without all us club shooters shooting the majors the fat cats would not have there flash cars and big wages.

YES I DO SHOOT SOME OF THEM AND HAVE ONLY EVER GONE BIRDS ONLY IN ONE COMPERTITION IT COST ME £50 in lost winnings

No idea what your name is ....sorry !!

As for the rest....have you asked them for what you want. I have read it....but apart from some wrong misconceptions about how it is run.....??

You mention fat cats???? Expensive cars...??? not seen those....you may be confusing the 'un paid directors' cars.

who are the fat cats??

We have 14+ disciplines some classed as majors and some as minors...plus the selection shoots for HI disciplines etc etc. Most are on a weekend....some are on same dates.....so....how do you plan to split the poor man....or give him a weekend off??

I think if we are discussing this you need to apply none emotional facts.

so if you are seriously making a point and not a rant....can we have some specifics......I still do not understand what you actually want ...as apart from general wish list stuff. I was asking really about specifics. What tangible thing do you want added to what you get.....for your £60?

 

[Bryn12]

No idea what your name is ....sorry !!

As for the rest....have you asked them for what you want. I have read it....but apart from some wrong misconceptions about how it is run.....??

You mention fat cats???? Expensive cars...??? not seen those....you may be confusing the 'un paid directors' cars.

who are the fat cats??

We have 14+ disciplines some classed as majors and some as minors...plus the selection shoots for HI disciplines etc etc. Most are on a weekend....some are on same dates.....so....how do you plan to split the poor man....or give him a weekend off??

I think if we are discussing this you need to apply none emotional facts.

so if you are seriously making a point and not a rant....can we have some specifics......I still do not understand what you actually want ...as apart from general wish list stuff. I was asking really about specifics. What tangible thing do you want added to what you get.....for your £60?

Going by some of the comments on this and other threads, hang draw and quarter, being the head honcho can be a thankless bloody task at times. Nout to do with me though, I'm SCTA only at the moment.

I really do think people have got things a bit arse about face, shooting the clays is the actual comp the money thing is more of a sweepstake or sideshow.

 

[maddmatt]

Competition has an edge when you are shooting to win a title that happens to have a cheque for £xxxxx.xx as well, the pressure is not the same if you only shoot to participate. Should all majors be cashless? No, if anything they should encourage the prize pool concept.

The Shootclay Cup is a brilliant example of how shoots (majors) should be run. Simple enter fee to shoot x amount of targets. Oh by the way we have secured £20,000+ in a sponsored prize pool and £6,000 on a FREE back number draw. This event will sell out and will have a waiting list, it is want the majority of sporting shooters want from an event.

Just remember these events are not your typical run of the mill Sunday registered shoot, so please don't try to make an argument to make majors/minors like a Sunday day out.

 

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Oh foook me.....now i am on the starship enterprise...I have just realised what he is on about.... Deer hunter v Deershooter.......sorry matey.....  :startle:  I can only see so much of the typing box when i am on iphone  :bow: and i got the avatar name mixed up.

Here......i am taking some punishment  :cold:

I hasten to add that this is me trying to get a tongue stuck on a frozen pole..... off it....!!

 

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Competition has an edge when you are shooting to win a title that happens to have a cheque for £xxxxx.xx as well, the pressure is not the same if you only shoot to participate. Should all majors be cashless? No, if anything they should encourage the prize pool concept.

The Shootclay Cup is a brilliant example of how shoots (majors) should be run. Simple enter fee to shoot x amount of targets. Oh by the way we have secured £20,000+ in a sponsored prize pool and £6,000 on a FREE back number draw. This event will sell out and will have a waiting list, it is want the majority of sporting shooters want from an event.

Just remember these events are not your typical run of the mill Sunday registered shoot, so please don't try to make an argument to make majors/minors like a Sunday day out.

Huge +1

 

[PhilS]

Competition has an edge when you are shooting to win a title that happens to have a cheque for £xxxxx.xx as well, the pressure is not the same if you only shoot to participate. Should all majors be cashless? No, if anything they should encourage the prize pool concept.

The Shootclay Cup is a brilliant example of how shoots (majors) should be run. Simple enter fee to shoot x amount of targets. Oh by the way we have secured £20,000+ in a sponsored prize pool and £6,000 on a FREE back number draw. This event will sell out and will have a waiting list, it is want the majority of sporting shooters want from an event.

Just remember these events are not your typical run of the mill Sunday registered shoot, so please don't try to make an argument to make majors/minors like a Sunday day out.

Matt,

The difference with the Shootclay Challenge is that it matters not whether you are a member of any organisation.  Anyone can enter and not only 'place' but also win a part of the prize pool.

In a weekend comp non organisation members don't qualify for cash payouts, therefore shoot birds only, members can place and also have the option whether to participate in the cash element, which is what this whole discussion has been about hasn't it?

 

[PhilS]

I suppose a way round this would be to make non members eligible for the cash elements too...........

 

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Matt,

The difference with the Shootclay Challenge is that it matters not whether you are a member of any organisation.  Anyone can enter and not only 'place' but also win a part of the prize pool.

In a weekend comp non organisation members don't qualify for cash payouts, therefore shoot birds only, members can place and also have the option whether to participate in the cash element, which is what this whole discussion has been about hasn't it?

And that is probably the way the good enjoyable shoots will go in the future........Open and no need to be a member of any organ

 

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isation

 

[PhilS]

And that is probably the way the good enjoyable shoots will go in the future........Open and no need to be a member of any organ

Look forward to it! Not a member of an organ so would be good  rankster:

 

[no.1topdog]

And that is probably the way the good enjoyable shoots will go in the future........Open and no need to be a member of any organ

Therefore modelling themselves on the old traditional Sunday Morning Straw Baler, but on a larger scale.

Maybe this is what the shooter really wants?  Less politics, less interference and more "take it or leave it", clear cut,  entry conditions.

After all, we just want to shoot and go home. Leave the organisation to the organisers? It is quite literally, their business.  :biggrin:

 

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Therefore modelling themselves on the old traditional Sunday Morning Straw Baler, but on a larger scale.

Maybe this is what the shooter really wants?  Less politics, less interference and more "take it or leave it", clear cut,  entry conditions.

After all, we just want to shoot and go home. Leave the organisation to the organisers? It is quite literally, their business.  :biggrin:

Don't know about that :wink:

Not much politics in sporting (their problem was cheating or sand bagging or whatever you want to call it) the Olympic disciplines are where the politics are :laugh:

Money in sporting comes from the shooter and is 'small change'....money in Olympic disciplines is 'big change' and comes from the Gov plus the 'small change' from the shooters. :laugh:

 

[Santa2512]

Competition has an edge when you are shooting to win a title that happens to have a cheque for £xxxxx.xx as well, the pressure is not the same if you only shoot to participate. Should all majors be cashless? No, if anything they should encourage the prize pool concept.

Disagree, 

you can get just as much adrenaline when shooting  for a cup, a club championship  or medal.

 I've come from two other sports where no cash is involved,   one of those puts teams into the olympics  

Mart

 

[maddmatt]

That is true to a degree, but believe me when I say if you are shooting for a potential prize of say £20,000 its going to get your pulse going - Just ask Phil Coley

I believe the rule about belonging to a member organisation is driven by the legal department, all associations (that the CPSA recognise) provide their members with some sort of public liability insurance. Also I draw your attention to my post about holding true opens (but with classes at the end), this works if you calculate the course average for the day and apply class cut offs accordingly, thereby negating the need for a class and opening it up to anyone

 

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That is that then....

It proves that everyone is different with their views and neither side is right or wrong.

I think we need 2 separate bodies.

One for competition hard core.....lots of money, big silver foook off cups....massive medals like the Olympics.....and no classes :laugh: Payout down to 50th place.

and 

One for all those who think that birds only is a competition.....with no money (because it is not important)....little plastic silver coloured cups (because it is not about the size of the cup) and medals for all those who turn up ...plus a medal for top 3 in class and category :wink:

Job sorted.  

 

[Bryn12]

Think I must be weird, I get my kicks from those rare days when everything goes to plan and you come away from the last shot knowing you simply couldn't have done any more, win or lose you gave it everything, one of the worst feelings is to have shot really well but maybe let your concentration wander for a fraction of a second and dropped the shot that would have won you the comp, £££ doesn't come into it for me.

I like to win but at the moment I have a snowball in hell's chance so am busy laying the groundwork and right now winning for me coming off 2 or 4 having hit all 4 clays, 

 

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That is true to a degree, but believe me when I say if you are shooting for a potential prize of say £20,000 its going to get your pulse going - Just ask Phil Coley

I believe the rule about belonging to a member organisation is driven by the legal department, all associations (that the CPSA recognise) provide their members with some sort of public liability insurance. Also I draw your attention to my post about holding true opens (but with classes at the end), this works if you calculate the course average for the day and apply class cut offs accordingly, thereby negating the need for a class and opening it up to anyone

Agreed.

Only bit slightly wrong is highlighted by me.

No rule driven by a legal department about having to be a member of any organisation. Only time you need to be a member of CPSA or any HI country is when you want to shoot for England (or the equivalent HI country) or if you want to shoot for GBR.

Hope that helps.

As for recognise...... The CPSA is a 'member' of BICTSF and ICTSF, they do not have a remit to 'recognise' those association....they are an equal voting part of them.  

 

[Bryn12]

Tink I've represented my country and have a box full of medals (one or two big fook orf ones) & trophies festering away in the basement somewhere, I would love to represent my country again but I don't need money to make it worth my while but each to their own. Just because I'm not motivated by cold hard cash don't think myself and others like me aren't extremely competitive by nature

 

[Papa]

I agree entirely Bryn I am the same and well put .


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