CPSA Articles of Association - details now published

[Robo]

Well said Vic ! ... I'm just a country boy born and bred .. thick in the arm and thick in the 'ead and work 13/14 hours a day at this time of year ! ... none of this CPSA carry on makes any bloody sense to me , just goes straight ove me 'ead ! All I wanna do is go a shoot some clays with some good mates and have my scores registered and shoot in a class with shooters at the same level as me .

If the CPSA was to fold then I'm pretty sure some thing else would take its place and I would move with the majority ! If not hen I will go back to club level with said mates and still enjoy my Sunday morning clay busting .. life's to bloody short for me to worry about the politics and the workings of the CPSA ! ... get out there and enjoy clay shooting peeps ! ..

 

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And that ......is exactly why we are all wasting our time....true story..!

 

[Jan Powell]

The apethtic will be telling us, 'I just want to shoot' as the key is turned in the lock!

 

[Skeetfreak]

Have I read through the proposed new articles - no,because it is largely unintelligible to me and I don't understand any of it,just like most of the membership. I exclude the knowledgeable contributors to this topic from that comment. 

Vic.

Vic,

I would like to thankyou for typing that last sentence as i was beginning to feel foolish.

I will openly admit i am not the sharpest tool in the box when it comes to this kind of stuff (but i can repair car bodywork really well - we all have our skills)  - I never read my contract from work as it is all just words to me jumbled up in a language i cannot understand and actually have no interest in. If i NEED anything from it i get someone (professional) who can understand these things to explain it to me in laymans terms which i can then act upon accordingly.

I will admit i tried to read Nicola's post above (in three colours) and by time i was a couple of points in my eyes glazed over and i was lost - this is i suspect what the CPSA will rely on when it comes to getting the articles passed (if they are so bad).

I try to take an interest - hence reading the topic - but i cannot vote / feedback on what i don't understand and i am not about to spend hours reading what to me is a foreign language. This is the reason you will never see me involved on committee's etc - how can i guide and make changes without understanding the process (maybe this also relates to the county championship thread i have commented on tonight and i should just shut up).

Maybe the first article should be about putting them into a language that the majority of the membership can read and understand rather than legal speak so that the members who ARE the association are given the opportunity to make informed choices.

Till they do this then i am reliant on the people who have skills in this area to rectify the issues.

 

[Les53]

Vic,
 
I would like to thankyou for typing that last sentence as i was beginning to feel foolish.
 
I will openly admit i am not the sharpest tool in the box when it comes to this kind of stuff (but i can repair car bodywork really well - we all have our skills)  - I never read my contract from work as it is all just words to me jumbled up in a language i cannot understand and actually have no interest in. If i NEED anything from it i get someone (professional) who can understand these things to explain it to me in laymans terms which i can then act upon accordingly.
 
I will admit i tried to read Nicola's post above (in three colours) and by time i was a couple of points in my eyes glazed over and i was lost - this is i suspect what the CPSA will rely on when it comes to getting the articles passed (if they are so bad).
 
I try to take an interest - hence reading the topic - but i cannot vote / feedback on what i don't understand and i am not about to spend hours reading what to me is a foreign language. This is the reason you will never see me involved on committee's etc - how can i guide and make changes without understanding the process (maybe this also relates to the county championship thread i have commented on tonight and i should just shut up).
 
Maybe the first article should be about putting them into a language that the majority of the membership can read and understand rather than legal speak so that the members who ARE the association are given the opportunity to make informed choices.
 
Till they do this then i am reliant on the people who have skills in this area to rectify the issues.

They rely on us not understanding things! That way they get to do whatever they want!

 

[Salopian]

For those of you that cannot be bothered to read the articles and for those of you who do not understand the legal jargon.

I will sum it up for you.

At the moment, you as a member will have some say if you want in how your association is run.

If these articles are accepted and go through, you will have handed over the running of the CPSA ( a members association) to a Committee that is self elected and self serving.

There you go plain and simple.

You can elect a Regional representative, who may be some one who you like and know that they will do the best for your region.

But if that Rep. does not toe the Committee line they will be voted off by the Committee.

So really there will be no point in being involved in County Committees or CPSA at all apart from registering your scores.

I suggested at a meeting that because the current Board is dysfunctional and in turmoil it should be disbanded and a new Board elected at the next meeting.

I now read that it is illegal to do that.

So! It's true. The Lunatics are running the Asylum! Obviously we are gearing up to allow mayhem to continue.

 

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That is exactly why I did not put the whole document on here...!

In order to make it easy to read....I put only the problem Article (all numbered) and the regions reply in colours and in simple language so that people could understand clearly the problem with the article.

It means that you have to apply yourself...it is not hard.....but if you cannot be arsed...then you deserve all you get...!!

Wake up people......you would understand it if you each had leant them £1000 ......

I have to say that I shake my head at these weak willy comments.....you filled in a shotgun licence.....you own a house.....you hold down jobs......you cannot be 'that' thick.......... !!

Nope ......it is a great excuse for being lazy and leaving others to fight their battles or protect their rights.....true story..!!

 

[Mike]

I bet that less than 1% of the membership know or care about how the CPSA is run.

 

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Yes.....that is how states like Russia, Saudi, Chile etc dealt with their people.

How sad that you are happy to be the 'peasants' .....!!

No need to waste anymore time then..!

Off shooting....!!

 

[Jan Powell]

'All that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing'. A little dramatic perhaps but you get the picture.

C'mon people, wake up! Don't fall into the 'I'm not interested' or 'I can't be bothered' trap. If passed, these proposals will allow YOUR governing body to rule by diktat.

We all care about the future of the sport, whether you follow the politics of it or not. Take a moment to email the CPSA with your feelings and when you have the chance to vote, make the most of it.

 

[Michael]

Straight forward question, are there enough concerned people on here to turn up at the forthcoming meeting and swing any vote against the proposed new rules?

 

[VicW]

For those of you that cannot be bothered to read the articles and for those of you who do not understand the legal jargon.

I will sum it up for you.

At the moment, you as a member will have some say if you want in how your association is run.

If these articles are accepted and go through, you will have handed over the running of the CPSA ( a members association) to a Committee that is self elected and self serving.

There you go plain and simple.

You can elect a Regional representative, who may be some one who you like and know that they will do the best for your region.

But if that Rep. does not toe the Committee line they will be voted off by the Committee.

So really there will be no point in being involved in County Committees or CPSA at all apart from registering your scores.

I suggested at a meeting that because the current Board is dysfunctional and in turmoil it should be disbanded and a new Board elected at the next meeting.

I now read that it is illegal to do that.

So! It's true. The Lunatics are running the Asylum! Obviously we are gearing up to allow mayhem to continue.

Thank you Shropshire Lad for enlightening us/me. 

Perhaps a letter to the CPSA is in order.

Vic.

 

[Hotshot100]

UNBLOODYBELIEVEABLE.......!!!

THEY HAVE IGNORED ALL THE IMPORTANT POINTS RAISED...!!!

If you all let this go through then you will not have a say again in this Association. 

All those who have seen the original draft will be able to see just how little has been changed.

So much for consultation with the membership.

Next we will be seeing a proxy vote form for you to fill in that has not yet been passed by an AGM.

Hahahahahahahaha they really do think that you are all suckers....and that because everyone is asleep....they can do anything !!

Not quite every body Nicola. But far TOO many.

 

[VicW]

Presumably the proposed,revised Articles will be published in the next issue of 'Pull' magazine so that all members have the opportunity to read and digest them and the implications.
My guess is that a majority will not read them because they are,necessarily,written in legal language and hence largely,to many,unintelligible.
Judging by the attendance at AGM's most of the 24,000 members don't care how the CPSA is run as long as they get their scores registered if of the 6000 members who shoot registered shoots,they get their magazine and,of course the most frequently advertised benefit,their insurance cover.
Consequently the average member is not going to contact the CPSA reference the Articles or attend the EGM to vote.
If the Articles become law and the board becomes an un-elected autonomy it may then,by it's future actions,annoy the membership to the extent that members vote with their feet and leave the CPSA,perhaps leaving it with very little to govern and a reduced income.
Vic.

 

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Yeap......maybe down to just the 6000 ish who want / need competition scores. What an NGB that will then be....!

 

[Salopian]

Interesting numbers there boys and girls.

24000 members approximately

6,000 perhaps who need their scores recording or enter County or National competitions.

Insurance can be bought from other organisations at a cheaper cost. So you really have to ask what is the point in being in the CPSA if the administrators don't listen to what the membership require.

Probably we would get better value for money by joining BASC or CA?

 

[maddmatt]

Single biggest issue I can see is... The only way you will have any idea of what this document really means is either a) give it to a lawyer or B) you are a lawyer

The CPSA is no longer an association in its original sense, it is a limited company with no share capital, so is a private limited by guarantee company, worryingly it has an outstanding charge recorded against it, looks like a mortgage. So the changes to the Articles of Association will come down to whether any member, group of members or regions challenge the changes and these must be on the advice of a lawyer IMO.

 

[Salopian]

At approximately £53 membership ( or if you like do it at £63) to lose 18,000 members would be a loss of annual revenue of £954,000 from membership subscriptions.

Come on CPSA wake up.

 

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Single biggest issue I can see is... The only way you will have any idea of what this document really means is either a) give it to a lawyer or B) you are a lawyer

The CPSA is no longer an association in its original sense, it is a limited company with no share capital, so is a private limited by guarantee company, worryingly it has an outstanding charge recorded against it, looks like a mortgage. So the changes to the Articles of Association will come down to whether any member, group of members or regions challenge the changes and these must be on the advice of a lawyer IMO.

1) when it went Ltd it was for the limited liability of those who stood as directors. It was never done to give away the members assets. There was no mention al the time that member no longer owned or had a say in what happens to their assets.2) there is no mortgage . It is a charge to protect the credit card payment facility.

 

[Hotshot100]

I bet that less than 1% of the membership know or care about how the CPSA is run.

I think you're about right there Mike.