Gun Fit - Chicken and the Egg

[EdSolomons]

Ill pay £500 to watch don currie shoot a round of sporting of my choice with the described method, should be good for an afternoons entertainment.

 

[ips]

Not convinced then ed

 

[Darkside]

Not convinced then ed

No, Ed's convinced the dude is talking sh*te!!!

 

[ips]

I cant comment on sporting, as you know James i have only recently had a go and hats off to sporting shooters as its bloody hard work.

Us trappie sorts have it easy with repetitive targets.

 

[Les53]

I cant comment on sporting, as you know James i have only recently had a go and hats off to sporting shooters as its bloody hard work.

Us trappie sorts have it easy with repetitive targets.

Mmmm!!!??? OK lets play a nice little game of.....lets pretend!!!! Pmsl!!!

 

[ips]

I seriously now believe that sporting is probably the hardest discipline because there is such a variation of targets with different methods required for each. It pains me to admit it but there you go. As for the above method pasted by salop i really cant comment i only know how to shoot going away stuff.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Ill pay £500 to watch don currie shoot a round of sporting of my choice with the described method, should be good for an afternoons entertainment.

What Churchill proposed and the tract that Mr. Solomons posted are not the same thing.

and of course, this is just stupid

"Contrary to popular belief, the purpose of a good gun mount is NOT to get the gun to the shoulder. The purpose of a good gun mount is to:

… Naturally align the shotgun barrel with your dominant eye prior to executing the shot, and

… Allow your dominant eye to acquire and maintain visual focus on the target through the break point.

With these essential truths as a backdrop, The 4 Radical Rules of Movement may not seem as radical:"

 

[Bryn12]

OK what I should have said is that the eye that you use to shoot with should align naturally and consistently........

Had a memory jog type thing a couple of days ago and realised my first shooting comp was age 8 (prep school, inter house), I'd completely forgotten about the 'school years', but until this year all comps have been rifle, shotgun was just for food and pest control.

 

[timps]

Maybe I have misread it but the gist I get of the theory is:-

1 the gun shoots where the eye is looking,

2 the eye is looking hard at the target nowhere else.

3 the gun must match the target speed exactly not faster.

So not only do you not see any lead there cannot be any lead for if the gun is on the target and cannot go any faster no lead. If the gun is mounted in front of the target to begin with then it's either not pointing where the eye is looking or you are not looking at the target.

Don't get me wrong I often don't see lead on certain short window shots but I know my gun swing is travelling faster than the clay or I have inserted it slightly in front of the clay. Yes there are some targets you match the speed and shoot the front edge but you cannot do that on every target.

But the method outlined in Sals post confuses the heck out of me as written as the gun is always on the clay never in front unless one of the rules is wrong.

 

[Bryn12]

The OP was answered in the 1st reply.

As to the rest, the shot has to be fired so as to intersect the flight of the clay as it passes through a particular area therefore it has to be placed in an area in anticipation whether lead is perceived or not. There was an interesting link posted a couple of days ago where Gil Ash points out that the actual lead in skeet is pretty much the same for all targets its just the angle that makes the visually perceived lead change.

Now where did I put those migraine tablets...........

 

[StuFish]

I must make a public apology for staring this thread, it seem to have create a Skynet moment in which this thread has become self aware and is now trying to take over, first this forum and next the internet, I am attempting to distract this thread with a copy of duck hunt running on an emulator! 

 

[timps]

The OP was answered in the 1st reply.

As to the rest, the shot has to be fired so as to intersect the flight of the clay as it passes through a particular area therefore it has to be placed in an area in anticipation whether lead is perceived or not. There was an interesting link posted a couple of days ago where Gil Ash points out that the actual lead in skeet is pretty much the same for all targets its just the angle that makes the visually perceived lead change.

Now where did I put those migraine tablets...........

I understand the differences in perceived lead, but with the theory from mr Currie and if you follow his rules to the letter then there cannot be any lead perceived or otherwise as the gun is on the clay matching it's speed as the shot is taken. At some point the gun has to move faster or be positioned in front of the clay which is against the rules before you mount the gun. As soon as you mount the gun you take the shot and your gun is pointing where you are looking which according to the rules is the clay. So either the rules are wrong or zero lead is applied perceived, real or imaginary.
Not seen the link for Gil Ash so cannot comment on his theory but angles do alter the actual lead required, the navy know this from their straight running torpedoes and have a formula to deal with it.

I am bored can you tell...

 

[Salopian]

I would just like to say that the article by Don Currie is extremely flawed, so do not give it too much time thinking it through.

I would think that Gil Ash's theory could be made to sound convincing if you pay him enough but once again it's a load of sweetbreads.

Find a good coach (probably English and working in England ) get some lessons, then get competing. Competition improves the product.

Occasional refresher lessons with your coach should see you good to go.