Licence grants/renewals

[metho]

Just read article on CPSA website shotgun license price increase. Grants from £79.50 up to £194 , renewals £49 up to £126

 

[eightlittlebits]

Just read article on CPSA website shotgun license price increase. Grants from £79.50 up to £194 , renewals £49 up to £126

Yep, the full list of changes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...0012025-firearms-variation-of-fees-order-2025

 

[metho]

Yep, the full list of changes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...0012025-firearms-variation-of-fees-order-2025

Does this cover 5 years

 

[General Skanky]

Yes.

I assume the rise to £400 is still to follow at some point.

This feels like a quick 'slot in' rise for now.

it will make the £400 cost feel less painful/obvious further down the line.

 

[eightlittlebits]

Yes.

I assume the rise to £400 is still to follow at some point.

This feels like a quick 'slot in' rise for now.

it will make the £400 cost feel less painful/obvious further down the line.

The £400 figure was never a government figure to my knowledge, not presented in any questions/policy. Happy to be corrected.

There was a news report on the fee increase stating that it "could" be as much as £400, which everyone then ran with.

 

[metho]

Yes.

I assume the rise to £400 is still to follow at some point.

This feels like a quick 'slot in' rise for now.

it will make the £400 cost feel less painful/obvious further down the line.

Still out of a lot of people's reach 400 is big ask if it goes to that, if got family, always has been a rich persons hobby

 

[General Skanky]

The £400 figure was never a government figure to my knowledge, not presented in any questions/policy. Happy to be corrected.

There was a news report on the fee increase stating that it "could" be as much as £400, which everyone then ran with.

Hope you’re right.

But once £400 is mentioned it becomes a thing…….

 

[bostonmick]

all prices of everything rises all I would ask is that the money charged will go fully to the firearms dept.also we need to be told what we will get for our money because at the moment it's a postcode lottery.some are turned around in a couple of weeks some take many months yet all are supposed to work off the same template.

 

[FESkent]

BASC are not on this. forum, but have posted on others;

Text of letter:

The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP
Home Secretary
The Home Office
2, Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DF

30 January 2025

Dear Yvette

Increase in firearms licensing fees

As Shadow Home Secretary and Chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting
and Conservation, we along with our colleagues are writing to you regarding the recent
announcement of an increase in firearms licensing fees.

These are hugely exorbitant increases for our constituents and will put pressure on hundreds
of thousands of people in rural communities who have already suffered under your
government’s choices. You are increasing a shotgun certificate grant from £79.50 to £194 –
244% of the current fee, while a shotgun certificate renewal will increase from £49 to £126 –
257% of today’s fee. Inflation since 2015 has been 35%, meaning your increases are up to a
disproportionate 4.5 times inflation. This is wholly unjustified and only adds insult to injury
for the hard-working people in rural communities whose livelihoods your government has
already threatened.

The APPG have worked on this issue for many years, meeting Ministers and civil servants
during the last government to progress matters. We regret that you did not think it
necessary to consult or inform MPs, including the co-chair of the APPG Ben Goldsborough
MP, before announcing the increase and laying the order before the House.
We hope that you will therefore be willing to meet colleagues who are members of the
APPG to discuss the issue. The next meeting, on the 11th March from 5-6 p.m. in committee
room M in Portcullis House, will be considering the increases. We would be most grateful if
you were able to attend this meeting.

You will be aware of the gross inefficiencies in firearms licensing and the fact that those
applying for a certificate in a quarter of licensing authorities may have to wait up to two
years for their applications to be processed. This is appalling service. Moreover, under
resourced and overworked departments compromise public safety, the fundamental
purpose of firearms licensing.

The representations we have received from those who shoot focus on the following points:
they wish to see an effective and efficient firearms licensing system. They accept increased
fees to full cost recovery, if the increase is based on consultation and transparent
calculations and is used to fund firearms licensing departments. They tell me that none of
these have been met.

The rise in fees to full cost recovery was included in the Labour manifesto to fund youth
counselling, but this was not the justification used in recent statements to the House or in
the papers accompanying the Statutory Instrument. You have repeatedly told parliament
that the increased fees will be used to properly fund firearms licensing.

The use of firearms licensing fees is an operational matter for the police. Police budgets are
set by Police and Crime Commissioners, not the Home Office. Although we are aware that
the indicative amount of money available to rural police forces next year will leave them no
choice but to make staff redundant. As far as we are aware, there are no ministerial powers
to ensure that fees are used in this way.

We would be grateful to know how you can be sure that the increased fees will go to
firearms licensing departments. Did you seek and receive any assurances from PCCs to this
effect?

We are also told that consultation with stakeholders was limited and perfunctory, in contrast
to the increase in fees in 2015, when a Home Office committee, comprising the police and
shooting organisations, came to an agreed set of figures for fees. In this case, a Home Office
Working Group met only twice, the last occasion in May 2023, and came to no conclusions.
Questions on process put to the Home Office at that point remain to be answered. We
understand that you refused to meet the shooting organisations in the months following the
election and finally granted them half an hour, two days before laying the order before
parliament.

We would be grateful if you could set out how you intend to work with stakeholders on
firearms licensing in the future.

The papers accompanying the order state that the new fees are based on data gathered
from the firearms licensing departments of thirty-one police forces, but nothing is publicly
available which shows the calculations on which the figures are based. We are told that the
number of forces involved must include inefficient licensing departments with the effect of
increasing the figure for full cost recovery. You will know that there is no consistency in the
amounts that firearms licensing departments spend on issuing a certificate. The BASC review
of licensing in 2022 found that it cost Warwickshire £90 to issue a certificate but for Durham
it cost £500.

We would therefore, in the interests of transparency, be grateful if you could let us know
how each new fee was calculated.

There are further issues on firearms licensing which remain to be resolved. These include:

• Removing sound moderators from the firearms licensing system, something supported by both the police and government, which would reduce the number of section 1 firearms by a third and thus reduce the workload for the police.
• Ending the use by some constabularies of non-statutory forms, reducing the burden on licensing departments.
• Ending superfluous land checks for section 1 firearms, reducing the burden on licensing departments.
• Ringfencing the income for firearms licensing fees for firearms licensing departments.
• Annual inflationary rises in fees, removing the need for massive increases, the latest averages 133%.

We look forward to working with you and your department to deliver an effective and
efficient firearms licensing system that protects public safety. We hope that you will be in
favour of continuing constructive engagement to that end.