Maintained Lead.

[BenW]

I hear Ron Jeremy is fuming at Biddy for stealing his book title.

 

[k80ben]

Score on the board are what count that's correct. But winning a 100 birder on a Sunday is very different to be a threat at international level. When the pressures on and the only thing you have to fall back on is your basics and fundamentals maintained lead will fail you. Dark side a great post.

I'm not on here for a argument or to degrade some good shots but results speak ill try and get the past winners at FITASC and sporting for you for last ten years and we will see how many use maintained lead, surely that's the proof ?

 

[Salopian]

BenW,

It's a good job I was paying attention!

Isn't Ron's book called 'On it In it.'

 

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I will give you one recent World champion......Gebben Miles.......spoke last night.....and who said.....

"I use maintained lead on most crossing targets. I actually use 10 different tools depending in what the target presentation is. Have you seen the different tools explained in my video?" .............To which I replied that I hope it will be turning up in my Christams stocking.

Just off to look in Matts shop.

 

[k80ben]

I've worked with Gebben a lot and indeed he shot with my father at the world FITASC and as someone as stated there maintained isn't what we see it as. Gebben does start ahead of slower birds but bumps out to a lead a bit like Richard and on the faster stuff he increases gun speed. He stayed at my house for 7 days I saw all this ......

A top guy and worthy champion who also stated he would have to change his method if he came to the UK again as the World Englidh showed up flaws.

Good try tho Nic xxxxxx love ya still

 

[ExSCA]

Just off to look in Matts shop.

Unfortunately - I don't sell Gebbens video (would be great) - however, you can grab it from his site - and get it 'digitally delivered' to your ipad - www.quietdustshooting.com is the place.

If anyone wants the review - its here : http://shootclay.co.uk/2012/11/22/quiet-dust-shooting-dvd-review/

 

[Mark Jones]

Well Mark, if people cannot judge speed or distance in sporting, I expect it will not matter what method they use (laughs).

I think you have hit the nail on the head! to shoot maintained lead you need to have that sight picture in your head and then think this target is like the one at so and so. Lots of experience needed. Swing through or pull away by the very mechanics of the technique put you on line and at the same speed as the clay in the most part. Then it is down to shot timing and the other varibles common to all methods,feet follow through etc etc. I do believe if people could read target speed and distance very well then 90's shooting maintained lead would become far more common (Wink!)

 

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It is not about 'proof' peeps.

Ben sweetie, if you are against maintained lead then don't use it, and obviously you won't teach it.........but.....don't put others that you are not coaching in a doubting situation if they are using it well.

What is it that I cannot seem to get through in my posts..... Peeps.....use what works for you......just don't bin valid shooting methods without understanding them, when they are used by several top shots.

 

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I've worked with Gebben a lot and indeed he shot with my father at the world FITASC and as someone as stated there maintained isn't what we see it as. Gebben does start ahead of slower birds but bumps out to a lead a bit like Richard and on the faster stuff he increases gun speed. He stayed at my house for 7 days I saw all this ......

A top guy and worthy champion who also stated he would have to change his method if he came to the UK again as the World Englidh showed up flaws.

Good try tho Nic xxxxxx love ya still

Gebben is a lovely bloke.......not stayed at my house (wink)

He uses maintained lead ....confirmed last night as I said.

Not trying anything sweetie.....just keeping newbie peeps aware that all methods are valid and useable depending on the persons skills.

Not sure why you want to force your opinion on everyone......as it is obvious on here that some people like maintained lead.

It has been an amusing 7 pages though.

Keep selling......love ya toooo (got the pass to say it)

 

[Hamster]

So when Gebben says he uses maintained he actually means pull away! In all fairness with some targets you wouldn't bet your life what method you used to hit them, a lot depends on feel at that very moment.

I tried to get Jessica Rossi to stay at mine for 7 nights but wife said no.

 

[RobertBeard]

I tried to get Jessica Rossi to stay at mine for 7 nights but wife said no.

Spoil Sport! :.:

 

[jake.keeling]

Gebben is a lovely bloke.......not stayed at my house (wink)

He uses maintained lead ....confirmed last night as I said.

Not trying anything sweetie.....just keeping newbie peeps aware that all methods are valid and useable depending on the persons skills.

Not sure why you want to force your opinion on everyone......as it is obvious on here that some people like maintained lead.

It has been an amusing 7 pages though.

Keep selling......love ya toooo (got the pass to say it)

Nicola, I think Ben's description of Gebben's and Richards technique is what I was trying to get at with all this, that it isn't classic maintained as a lot of people think of it. It is of course just a word and I personally think covers a few techniques. It is as you say horses for courses and I think our hang ups are only in trying to describe what we are doing.

 

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Nicola, I think Ben's description of Gebben's and Richards technique is what I was trying to get at with all this, that it isn't classic maintained as a lot of people think of it. It is of course just a word and I personally think covers a few techniques. It is as you say horses for courses and I think our hang ups are only in trying to describe what we are doing.

True.

And as i have said several times on here it is about leaving people to get on happily with what they want to do.

If anyone asks any coach for coaching then fine give them the help of your massive skills....whatever they might be.....for whoever is being asked to coach.....

But......

Don't try to coach the world with your way or anyone else way .......they might not want to listen......even if it is free ......they might not like your style even if you win.....they might not like you, even if you win........they might be barking and want a Cpsa coach......or enlightened and want an Apsi coach......or heaven forbid (if a competition shot) a BASC coach......!! Of course I am just picking names and comments to suit the humours point being made. (So BASC coaches....don't get your thongs in a twist)............

.....just saying..!!

 

[Hamster]

Nicola, I think Ben's description of Gebben's and Richards technique is what I was trying to get at with all this, that it isn't classic maintained as a lot of people think of it. It is of course just a word and I personally think covers a few techniques. It is as you say horses for courses and I think our hang ups are only in trying to describe what we are doing.

I concur, at the end of the day how can you quantify what is or isn't true bog standard maintained given all the variables, variations in flight and speed happen within the stand all the time where one target has to be broken with a last minute rush of pull away or whatever.

 

[tiptop]

So after all that its shoot what ever suits you best.

SEE IT SHOOT IT.(Thats the bit i struggle with)

 

[Westward]

I tried to get Jessica Rossi to stay at mine for 7 nights but wife said no.

Can't see the problem there. After all Nic's hoping Gebben's tools will be turning up in her Christmas stocking...

 

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There are lots of things that may turn up in my Christmas stocking......and the only one I will be looking for or wanting is my EvoComp....!!!



Right.....bye for now peeps, clients coming at 1pm so have to get up now....!!

Plus had enough of the Pollard enquiry and Patten...!!

 

[Fauldsy]

I shoot maintained lead...

But that doesn't mean I teach it... I teach the individual the best way I see fit for that person.

 

[Maxum]

Well if its good enough for fauldsy then I'm going to have to give it a go.

Who knows it might even gain me a clay here and there.

 

[jake.keeling]

I shoot maintained lead...
But that doesn't mean I teach it... I teach the individual the best way I see fit for that person.

Thanks for your Input Richard, so I take it from this you shoot proper maintained and not half lead pull away? Totally understand teaching appropriate technique to different students and I got a lot out of our lesson and believe it helped me win a silver medal in Island Games a week later