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John has pretty much got it.

You do not look for the whole target you attempt to look for the front or leading edge this happens quickly and means that you are visually locked onto the target. It is a cunning way to really see the target in a fully concentrated way rather than just seeing and shooting at an orange blur. Trust me this method works but ssh don't tell anyone about it.

 
John has pretty much got it.

You do not look for the whole target you attempt to look for the front or leading edge this happens quickly and means that you are visually locked onto the target. It is a cunning way to really see the target in a fully concentrated way rather than just seeing and shooting at an orange blur. Trust me this method works but ssh don't tell anyone about it.

I have to admit that having that much time to gaze at the target just does not happen for me.  I've had Olympic shooters tell me how they would watch the target for a "while" to check the direction and I just don't live on that planet.  I've had a world champ pigeon shooter tell me to watch which way the bird has his head turned cuz that's the way he'll go hahahahaha and what I'm doing is just pounding that first barrel into the blur coming outta the box!  And, well, I guess we just have to make the best of the wiring that we have.

 
I've had Olympic shooters tell me how they would watch the target for a "while" to check the direction and I just don't live on that planet.

To be honest Charlie that is my chosen method of shooting both UT and OT. I never move my gun until I have had a good sight of the target and its angle and trajectory, its does take a fraction of a second but I think if I try to move my gun too early it leads to stopping the gun and "aiming" when shooting the target. Whereas swinging the gun quickly through from behind the target after seeing it well gives better results...for me.

 
I have to admit that having that much time to gaze at the target just does not happen for me.  I've had Olympic shooters tell me how they would watch the target for a "while" to check the direction and I just don't live on that planet.  I've had a world champ pigeon shooter tell me to watch which way the bird has his head turned cuz that's the way he'll go hahahahaha and what I'm doing is just pounding that first barrel into the blur coming outta the box!  And, well, I guess we just have to make the best of the wiring that we have.
I bet you were talking to RandyR......? How is he now after his heart attack, I think is he shooting again now and coming over to Madrid in September.

The head thing is true....they always do that....but like you.....I pound the blur.... :wink:

 
Strangely you will shoot the target much faster if you adopt some method of visually locking onto it. You would think that looking for a specific part would take longer, but in reality it does not.

 
Strangely you will shoot the target much faster if you adopt some method of visually locking onto it. You would think that looking for a specific part would take longer, but in reality it does not.
Different discipline....

Sent Pm

 
I bet you were talking to RandyR......? How is he now after his heart attack, I think is he shooting again now and coming over to Madrid in September.

The head thing is true....they always do that....but like you.....I pound the blur.... :wink:
I think he went one better and said you should check which way the bird's eyes are looking ..................   :gamer:    

Actually it's been years and I was only one of the wannabes.  Like my teach said, there are pigeon shooters and there are people who shoot pigeons.  I'm not sure I ever made the transition hahaha

On the clay thing - if I waited to move until I had a clear conscious focus on the target I'd spend a lot of time just standing around.  When I feel like I'm doing well I'm running on full automatic and when I'm not that's when it gets iffy. 

 
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Agree totally with that sentiment Charlie however for me the focus on a specific part of the target not only affords me better visual target lock but also means that my mental focus is all about the clay and stops me getting distracted

 
I think he went one better and said you should check which way the bird's eyes are looking ..................   :gamer:    

 
Yes that is definitely Randy....I always replied....i cannot see the eyes. :laugh:

 
Agree totally with that sentiment Charlie however for me the focus on a specific part of the target not only affords me better visual target lock but also means that my mental focus is all about the clay and stops me getting distracted
That is possible for me only if I'm not shooting, just looking.  With a gun in my hands that is so far past my abilities that I can't even imagine it.

Seriously

 
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Did a 100 DTL tonight.

Scored 20, was not concentrating, 23, 23, 24.  So close to the 25, but apart from the first round, I was still buzzing from work and not settled enough, I know I missed the final 5 due to a trigger freeze and the others I missed the first shot and then stupidly lifted my ruddy head and then re-aimed.  arrgghh !

That has given me confidence to try for at least 4 x 23 or above.   I had very few double shots so making progress. This is now a very personal challenge to myself to his at least a 96.

 
Scores should not be your current goal.  Building a repeatable and consistent method is what should be the point of practice.  The scores will just fall outta that.  The scores will NOT fall outta slop and inconsistency.

Read what you wrote above and decide what it is that needs doing

 
trap targets  look thin to me with lots of fresh air around them , ( that's what I normally hit , the fresh air )   I was told  not to rush see it clearly  not too much choke half in bottom barrel  and a quality shell  simples ,  we analyse our poor shooting , but never when we shoot well , perhaps we should . 

 
we analyse our poor shooting , but never when we shoot well , perhaps we should .
This is so very very true.

I have said many times that when I shoot particularly well (not that often these days) I have no idea what I did or what I was thinking therefore it is impossible to replicate. If however you are aware of what you are doing from my experience you shoot cack. Whats the answer I hear you say, no idea but let me know if you find out.

 
I was told  not to rush see it clearly  not too much choke half in bottom barrel  and a quality shell  simples ,
first off imo if were talking fast trap then 3/4 full end of. If were talking DTL then yes 1/2 and 3/4 will do it if your using good cartridges but try 3/4 full and 8s see what you think of that combination.

secondly it is all well and good someone telling you / us not to rush and to let the target out but this imo is virtually impossible to do because as soon as you see the target you are generally away on auto pilot therefore the "see the front edge" technique is a way of holding you back a milli second and although it will feel slower to you anyone watching will be aware of how fast you are taking them. Try it and then tell me I am wrong ?

 
first off imo if were talking fast trap then 3/4 full end of

Depends where you decide to actually put your shot! I watched last week as someone hit 24 of 25 OT targets with 1/2 and full 19 of them with the first barrel and an other who hit 25ex25 on the first barrel with 1/2 and full. I think if you pattern your gun and are happy with the dispersal at 32m of 1/2 choke then why not use it. Just my opinion but 99% of targets missed have nothing to do with choke but the fact the shooter placed his shot in the wrong place.

 
Fare point John and many p guns of old were i believe half and full. As were quite a few b trap guns. Also worth bearing in mind is some grounds use hard compound clays and its fact that you can hit them without breaking them. Call me a traditionalist but i remain unconvinced as to any benefit of half choke for fast trap, and i shoot very fast. Each to there own, and of course gun and cartridge combination has a lot to do with it.

Ps- i have tested many choke and cartridges over the years.

 
I have fixed chokes 1/4 & 12. Usually shoot the top barrel 1/2 first
now you tell us !

Maybe that answers your original question then. Half first then quarter, no offence but your

relatively new at trap so probably not shooting them that fast so

maybe its the second barell quarter choke that is the reason for lack of second barell kills.

Yes i know quarter will kill most trap targets but only centre pattern and that's a big ask.

My friend shoot the quarter first and if you get serious about trap imo you will need to change gun.

 
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