To be fair Ian many things in shooting are done because of tradition and there is nothing wrong with that! But I have obviously found the right cartridge for my gun because of the 19 first barrel kills I had last weekend there was barely anything worth following up with a second shot at the bits, if I can do it with half choke a good shot can do even better! As was to be proved when Mr Paggoto hit 25 on the first tube.
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[SIZE=10pt]to be fair I have tried both barrel combinations. I do have a Remmy semi with a skeet choked fixed barrel [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]which[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] could be fun!....only joshing.[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]Part of me says in theory I should be able to hit any target with my gun or is that [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]naivety [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]If i did buy another gun I would want to go fixed choke again, i think, so for DTL and UT/ABT should I look for a 1/2 & 3/4 or a 3/4 & full?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]I think I am becoming a trappist![/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]If i did buy another gun I would want to go fixed choke again, i think, so for DTL and UT/ABT should I look for a 1/2 & 3/4 or a 3/4 & full?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]I think I am becoming a trappist![/SIZE]
I was recently informed that a highly successful GB OT shooter (who you will all be aware of) shoots 1/4 choke first barrel.
I know 3/4 and full is the accepted norm for OT but based on my recent pattern plate results with F Blacks I am giving serious consideration to have my chokes opened up to 1/2 and 3/4 ! Prolly won't do it though. Just need to find a cartridge that gives a wider pattern through my chokes.
Talking of which. I tried some. Cheddite Oro's yesterday (thanks Iain) and really liked the breaks. Want to put them on the plate but just can't buy them locally :-(
Personally, based on the results of the plate and the breaks I get 3/4 first barrel is toooo tight!
DT
I know 3/4 and full is the accepted norm for OT but based on my recent pattern plate results with F Blacks I am giving serious consideration to have my chokes opened up to 1/2 and 3/4 ! Prolly won't do it though. Just need to find a cartridge that gives a wider pattern through my chokes.
Talking of which. I tried some. Cheddite Oro's yesterday (thanks Iain) and really liked the breaks. Want to put them on the plate but just can't buy them locally :-(
Personally, based on the results of the plate and the breaks I get 3/4 first barrel is toooo tight!
DT
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PhilR
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Sooting clays is irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. You're trying to break clays and the referee has to see a visible piece to record a kill. IMO more open choke gives you a better opportunity of kills.
My old Perazzi trap gun is now choked at 15 thou in both barrels (3/8) and I don't feel under choked with it when shooting ABT, OT or UT, although its main purpose is now pigeon and game shooting.
However, my Miroku MK38 which I'm now using to good effect is 30 thou in both barrels (3/4) and looking at the results on a pattern plate at 30m for the first and 40m for the second barrel suggests a little bit more open wouldn't go amiss.
I wouldn't turn my nose up at a trap gun bored 1/2 and 3/4.
I shoot competitions week in and week out and my opinion is based on years of experience not just shooting the odd round of practice.
Personally, based on the results of the plate and the breaks I get 3/4 first barrel is toooo tight!
Totally agree DT my gun is 1/2 and full and the first barrel absolutely hammers the targets... if I do my part. I am using Clever Mirage T2 7.5's at the moment and am scoring well but even with the cheaper decathlon Cheddite made carts I was getting amazing kills with the 24g version at £130 a thousand.
Totally agree DT my gun is 1/2 and full and the first barrel absolutely hammers the targets... if I do my part. I am using Clever Mirage T2 7.5's at the moment and am scoring well but even with the cheaper decathlon Cheddite made carts I was getting amazing kills with the 24g version at £130 a thousand.
Well a disappointing 79 ex 100 UT at Rugby for me yesterday, mainly due to my ineptitude (but also down to the tail end of Hurricane Bertha - my excuse and I'm sticking to it). However I was paying particular attention to my breaks (using Fblacks 28g) and boy oh boy, when I 'middled' them with the first barrel there was nothing left and I mean absolutely nothing but dust, gone!! Even with the second barrel kills, when I was 'on um' they just disappeared. A few lucky breaks also (clay split in half) but also lots of 'near misses' (to quote Les53). I would point out that I am note a fast shooter so the targets are some way out when I hit them. Need to experiment with some alternative loads me thinks!! 8's maybe?
And as for that lefthander on B layout - WOW!! Never seen a target like it, even at OT. Must have been at 60 degrees off peg , landing in the middle of the adjacent layout! Obviously the trap had moved during the day but at least three squads shot it before the last squad refused to shoot it as it was not regulation. Don't know if it was corrected for them but was wondering about the rules on that. Is it allowed to vary a non-regulation target (i.e correct it) mid-way through a comp? If it was moved for the last squad surely they gained an advantage as previously it was causing lots of bang, bang, bleeps!
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And as for that lefthander on B layout - WOW!! Never seen a target like it, even at OT. Must have been at 60 degrees off peg , landing in the middle of the adjacent layout! Obviously the trap had moved during the day but at least three squads shot it before the last squad refused to shoot it as it was not regulation. Don't know if it was corrected for them but was wondering about the rules on that. Is it allowed to vary a non-regulation target (i.e correct it) mid-way through a comp? If it was moved for the last squad surely they gained an advantage as previously it was causing lots of bang, bang, bleeps!
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PhilR
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The answer you require is in the UT rules #1.13 on the FITASC website. I didn't miss it
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Greg the widest angles I could see in the rules is 45deg, so at 60deg it would have been out of spec as far as I can tell. As for near misses, well I reckon the best looking near misses are with a choke between cylinder and super full. :laugh:
Ha! You didn't miss much of anything
Rule 1.13 only states that a trap should be solidly fixed following setting such that it cannot be involuntarily moved. However I can't find anything which specifically covers the incidence of a trap moving during the competition.
Given some of the very experienced (international) shooters on the previous lines I am surprised that no one raised the issue before it got to the final squad?
BTW was it corrected for the last squad?
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PhilR
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At the computer now. I've amended the above quote and have cut and pasted the full rule 1.13 and highlighted the critical wording.Ha! You didn't miss much of anything after the first round
Rule 1.13 only states that a trap should be solidly fixed following setting such that it cannot be involuntarily moved. However I can't find anything which specifically covers the incidence of a trap moving during the competition.
Given some of the very experienced (international) shooters on the previous lines I am surprised that no one raised the issue before it got to the final squad?
BTW was it corrected for the last squad?
DT
1.13 Each trap, after having been checked in this way, must be solidly fixed so that the
obtained trajectory cannot be involuntarily altered during the testing process.
In the event that a trap moves from its set position, the referee responsible for the
trench will immediately stop the round in order to redo the settings of the trap.
The results from targets already thrown from this trap will be counted, none of them
will be re-thrown and no shooter can claim to re-shoot the round.
I shot B layout as my second round early on in the day and didn't think it was any worse than some of the other targets being thrown. However, if a trap fixing bolt is loose, it will continue to move vibrated by the operation of the trap, so the chances are the longer the day goes on the worse it'll get angle wise in this case.
I think it was corrected for the final squad and according to the rule that was the correct decision. Perhaps if the moaners had spoken to JTN when the problem had been identified it would've been done sooner.......
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Andrew.Addison
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I switched from a 3/4 and full Miroku fixed choke trap gun to a Caesar Guerini Ellispe Evo with multi/multi barrels. Currently I have 1/2 and 3/4 in it which is more than enough for OT as far as I'm concerned. I may play about with 1/2 and 1/2 or even 1/4 and /3/4 at some point to see what it is like during the off season since I generally take my first barrel quite sharpish anyway.
Apologies Phil, you are, as always, correct. I goggled the UT rules and it came back with the 2011 edition of the UT rules which does not include the highlighted paragraphs nor make any reference to the issue anywhere within its pages. I know as I've read through them. Obviously been added to the latest version.
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Do not be too deceived by the targets at Rugby - John Nightingale is using the woodpulp clays from Portugal though a slightly different spec than Martin at Nuthampstead. Both are excellent colour and vaporize to a white powder. So well do they break that at the Worlds in Portugal, one third of the shooters scored 190+ [well 114 of them]
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Fred we need some of those at SC, I think we've been shooting at ones made of concrete! :biggrin:
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Actually the event was the UT European Championships at Granada last year and they're Corsivia clays made in Spain.
Nuthampstead use Vivio or a similar name which are also a Spanish make and were used at the ISSF European Championships a couple of weeks later at Granada. I think these are the official clay to be used at ISSF events, although I stand to be corrected on that point.
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