Perazzi... tips...

[newbie]

30 targets in this afternoon clean snap on the bottom barrel leaf spring MX8. Spare triggers in cartridge bag straight in [been here before]. Unnerves you though. :mellow:

are you allowed to stop/hold the line up if this happens in competition?

 

[40UP]

5 mins repair, borrow gun or stand down. Enough to change triggers but probably insufficient for a spring change.

 

[louis682]

How many times have you had this happen to you 40up and how long have you had your mx8?

 

[MX8man]

nope, why u ask?

Simply that if you haven't seen how they are made, why would you think that Miroku should make them. I assume you are familiar with Miroku's manufacturing methods.

 

[Emmsy]

in my opinion miroku seem to manufacture a better assembled gun. ive owned both and completely disassembled and rebuilt both. i bought my perazzi new and used it to a reasonable standard but in that time i have had a few problems. never had any issues ever with a miroku. i believe that some of the things i had issues with probably wouldnt have happened if they were built differently. for instance i have had the side ribs fall off and bluing wore badly. both of these things dont seem to happen with a miroku as there soldering and blueing processes are different. perazzi must have a reason why they solder the barrels like they do, maybe its so they dont get heat distortion, i dont know. dont get me wrong the perazzi is a VERY good competion shotgun and i would definately own one again but i just dont think they are the best built gun in the world.

 

[Andy S]

Emmsy,

How does your Krieghoff compare to the Miroku then?

Andy

 

[Emmsy]

the krieghoff is just under 1 year old but has been faultless, seems to be built like a tank in a typicaly german over engineered fashion.

as far as £ per £ the miroku is pretty much unbeatable value. i saved hard to buy a perazzi as i wanted a pure competition gun that would last me forever, which it probably would but would have cost a fair bit to keep it going. i swapped to a krieghoff as i like the handling and the fact i could specify heavy barrels / long stock etc, hopefully this will last me a lifetime, only time will tell.

 

[40UP]

I always think that in terms of build quality

Krieghoff = Porsche

Perazzi = Ferrari

Blazer = Audi

Beretta = Fiat + Alfa Romeo + Maserati

Miroku = Toyota

Browning = Honda

Guerini = Jaguar

Fabarm = Lancia

Fabbri = Zonda

Browning B25 = Mercedes

Holland and Holland = Bentley

Purdey = Aston Martin

Boss = Rolls Royce

Automatics = Hyundai

Side by side = Seat + Bugatti

Any more?

 

[Darkside]

Beretta's are built better than any dog sh*t Fiat or Alfa Ramero!!!!

 

[Hamster]

I always think that in terms of build quality

Krieghoff = Porsche

Perazzi = Ferrari

Blazer = Audi

Beretta = Fiat + Alfa Romeo + Maserati

Miroku = Toyota

Browning = Honda

Guerini = Jaguar

Fabarm = Lancia

Fabbri = Zonda

Browning B25 = Mercedes

Holland and Holland = Bentley

Purdey = Aston Martin

Boss = Rolls Royce

Automatics = Hyundai

Side by side = Seat + Bugatti

Any more?

I kind of agree with everything except you obviously have an issue with Beretta? They are Land Cruisers build wise with Lotus handling.

The K gun is perhaps more Volvo 240 too I'd say.

 

[Hamster]

Beretta's are built better than any dog sh*t Fiat or Alfa Ramero!!!!

Too right, I can't think of any gun to equate to a Fiat. Blaser could maybe fill the Alfa Romeo role? Nobody buys them twice. :.:

 

[Hamster]

Yes I can, Hatstand.

 

[Fuzrat]

Hatsans are very Fiat, Fix It Again Tomorrow :.:

 

[Fuzrat]

that said, if you feed mine the right shells it just keeps plodding along

 

[40UP]

I agree I can't find a balance for Beretta. I crossed boundaries for Guerini but the large Italian conglomerate who make mostly military arms is difficult. Fiat have declined but Beretta are booming. Volkswagen are immense and have some deluxe brands. Maybe take Blaser away from Audi and give it to Beretta who own Ducati now?

Another: Piotti + Desanzani + Bosis = Lamborghini

With Krieghoff I considered looks as well as build quality.

 

[Andy S]

I would say Beretta is probably VW, due to the range of models over differing price bands.

Blaser leave as Audi, as they are trying to be a bit more upmarket.

Mind you the Volkswagon Group own VW, Porsche, Seat and Audi whom own Lamborghini and Ducati.

 

[MX8man]

in my opinion miroku seem to manufacture a better assembled gun. ive owned both and completely disassembled and rebuilt both. i bought my perazzi new and used it to a reasonable standard but in that time i have had a few problems. never had any issues ever with a miroku. i believe that some of the things i had issues with probably wouldnt have happened if they were built differently. for instance i have had the side ribs fall off and bluing wore badly. both of these things dont seem to happen with a miroku as there soldering and blueing processes are different. perazzi must have a reason why they solder the barrels like they do, maybe its so they dont get heat distortion, i dont know. dont get me wrong the perazzi is a VERY good competion shotgun and i would definately own one again but i just dont think they are the best built gun in the world.

As regards the soldering Perazzi use the traditional silver solder for precisely that reason i.e. the solder melts at a relatively low temperature so there is no distortion to the barrels. The mass producers often use zinc solder which has a much higher melting point and so the soldering is done in an oven which can lead to distortion.

I'm sorry you had these problems with your Perazzi. I've had a number over the years and never had any problems. I can't comment on the relative standards of build quality of different manufacturers but have twice visited the Perazzi factory and been impressed with the attention to detail. Everything is in house. They are a small manufacturer - every day just 6 guns and 1 set of barrels are finished so total production is around 1,700/1,800 guns a year.

 

[MX8man]

On the build quality issue I think I'd agree with most of those.

I'd swap Purdey and H&H.

As for Guerini I don't think they are remotely at Jaguar's levels. Jaguar make a well engineered car. Guerinis look good - nice engraving and nice wood - but they conceal a cheap gun. Perhaps a Lancia of old. Look good but rust before your eyes. Any base model Beretta is a better gun than any Guerini IMO.

Base model Berettas - Fiat yes. Move up to Jubilees and EELL then Alfa Romeo - yes. SO models - Maserati - yes.

Surprised no one has allied a gun brand to BMW.

 

[Darkside]

So what's a Zoli?

 

[Will Hewland]

The only badly made Berettas are the expensive ones. S05's are thrown together by chinese washer women, you would think. Fine if you dont want to shoot it much and have a a fortune to spend on re-work if you do.

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