Practice/training with full chokes?

[Will Hewland]

So what?

The top shots will all say something different. This means one of two things :

A - They don't know what they're talking about

or

B - Different things suit different people.

I don't do hero worship, so I won't do something just because a top shot does it, especially when other top shots do it completely differently.

I might be middle of the road A Class but I've been shooting competitively since 2009 ish. I dare say I'll get where I'm going and it won't have anything to do with choke-twiddling or hero worship, that's a couple of things I am certain of.

This has been and could continue to be a never ending discussion because there is no mathematical definitive answer (given that the human mind and emotions are involved),

All I can say (to sign off on this one) is that I have shot fixed choke since 2007 and made big progress since then. This must prove at least that multi chokes are not a definite necessary ingredient for progress.

 

[Westward]

A bloke used to work for me who has a reputation for his tales and general mouth; making people hide behind things when he approached. He would see me on a Monday and begin his shooting story, stand by stand. Each stand started with 'I dropped the cartridges in the gun'.. (no sh*t Sherlock..) and ended - a good while later - with 'I hit that clay so hard it looked like a house brick had smashed it'. Finally, as my vision was blurring and the will to live was all but gone he would tell me his score; which I would usually read as a lower figure on the CPSA website a day or so later. He eventually left my employ and has become an instructor. Still C class I think..

Does he post on PW and shoot a Browning?

 

[Will Hewland]

Does he post on PW and shoot a Browning?

Don't think so..

 

[altnipper]

Ah you might have done even better if you'd changed your chokes!

 

[Emmsy]

"Wonder Choke" no, you are right....better choke, different matter.

[facepalm]

its a tapered tube that alters the spread of a shot column down range, there aint anything new or clever about it.

 

[Skeet UK]

[facepalm]

its a tapered tube that alters the spread of a shot column down range, there aint anything new or clever about it.

OK, well I'm not about to get in a row about it with you, but they are very different from every other choke you can buy, regardless of your experience of them.  Sorry if you don't like that, but it is fact...as I have outlined before.

 

[paulos]

OK, well I'm not about to get in a row about it with you, but they are very different from every other choke you can buy, regardless of your experience of them.  Sorry if you don't like that, but it is fact...as I have outlined before.

No they're not, you silly billy. :lol:

 

[Darkside]

So what?

The top shots will all say something different. This means one of two things :

A - They don't know what they're talking about

or

B - Different things suit different people.

I don't do hero worship, so I won't do something just because a top shot does it, especially when other top shots do it completely differently.

I might be middle of the road A Class but I've been shooting competitively since 2009 ish. I dare say I'll get where I'm going and it won't have anything to do with choke-twiddling or hero worship, that's a couple of things I am certain of.

Exactly...so what if you don't play golf,  so what your middle of the road A class, that's the point, one pointless statment cancelles out the other.

"B - Different things suit different people". Corrrect answer!

"I don't do hero worship..." Let me put a chip on the other shoulder to balance you up :spiteful:  I'm sure your someones hero...

" I've been shooting competitively since 2009 ish. I dare say I'll get where I'm going and it won't have anything to do with choke-twiddling or hero worship"  Do it your way by all means, but, at the same time, do share, what is your way? Fixed choke? Multi with 1/2 1/2 welded in? It's a forum, share a little of your knowlage that got you to where you are, help out all us C/B class lesser mortals who are so star struck with hero worshiping  the guys at the top with their 92%+ average's, some of their myths about Full/Full at everything, share with the group, "how you do it"... Do you/would you stick a couple of skeet chokes in for a pair of simo 15yd rabbits or would  you say that 1/2 would be of no disadvantage...gven the option?

 

[Skeet UK]

No they're not, you silly billy. :lol:

Now now, no need for name calling.

Why not come up with some informed reasons why they aren't "different" and show me some other chokes that have the same qualities?  It's all quite relevant with the whole topic of chips versus good breaks, too.

I will start you off;

1) They are tapered tubes that alter the spread of a shot column, down range. (Thanks Emmsy, nicely put.)

2) They screw in the muzzle of a shotgun.

Read the link in my Sig for help

 

[Emmsy]

patterned side by side in a krieghoff K80, Muller U2 and Krieghoff #1 steel choke = no real difference, if anything krieghoff pattern was more uniform.

muller tube is approx 2 inches longer and is lighter than the krieghoff, which is 2 things of absolute no use to me.

the threading / fitment is of higher quality with the krieghoff chokes with less of a step between choke and bore, and less slop in the threading.

so unless you want a weight advantage then there is no other reason to pick the mullers over anything else.

 

[Chard]

Exactly...so what if you don't play golf,  so what your middle of the road A class, that's the point, one pointless statment cancelles out the other.

"B - Different things suit different people". Corrrect answer!

"I don't do hero worship..." Let me put a chip on the other shoulder to balance you up :spiteful:  I'm sure your someones hero...

" I've been shooting competitively since 2009 ish. I dare say I'll get where I'm going and it won't have anything to do with choke-twiddling or hero worship"  Do it your way by all means, but, at the same time, do share, what is your way? Fixed choke? Multi with 1/2 1/2 welded in? It's a forum, share a little of your knowlage that got you to where you are, help out all us C/B class lesser mortals who are so star struck with hero worshiping  the guys at the top with their 92%+ average's, some of their myths about Full/Full at everything, share with the group, "how you do it"... Do you/would you stick a couple of skeet chokes in for a pair of simo 15yd rabbits or would  you say that 1/2 would be of no disadvantage...gven the option?

I don't need you to point out the correct answer.

No chips on my shoulder. Just because I don't prostrate and belittle myself in front of another person doesn't mean I have a chip on my shoulder. It means I have a little confidence and self-belief. I would actively discourage anybody, including my own children to "do" hero worship. You can respect somebody with talent without spending your life snivelling like some wretch.

I have "shared" my view on chokes several times in this oft-repeated subject. Quarter and 3/8. after advice from an ex-England shooter who suggested I wasn't good enough to use tight chokes on everything and was penalising myself unnecessarily. (He's not my hero, but I respect his opinion).

 

[Darkside]

I don't need you to point out the obvious, but you did...

Then stop acting like you've got a chip Who's annoying you by "prostrating and belittling" themselves and "snivelling like a wretch" anyway?

 

[timps]

Exactly...so what if you don't play golf, so what your middle of the road A class, that's the point, one pointless statment cancelles out the other.

Not exactly pointless though. Using a golfing analogy to justify changing chokes is irrelevant as I don't play golf either. It's like trying to justify not changing chokes by saying when Stephen Hendry changes cues for each shot then I will change chokes.

Meaningless in the world of sporting clays.

 

[Darkside]

The golf analogy is simple, different clubs for different distances. Close to green, -100yds wedge/cylinder, 130yds 9 iron/skeet, 150yds 7 iron/quarter, 170 5 iron/half...get it?

Now you can shoot skeet with half choke the same as chip onto the green from close with a 5 iron, there's just less margin for error and it takes more skill...

 

[timps]

Yes I know about distance and clubs in golf, but what I don't get its relevance to chokes at sporting clays.

In the history of modern golf has a major ever been won by a player using one club?

Seeing as the answer to that is no then you have to use different clubs to win at golf.

Now on to sporting clays has a major ever been won by:

A) someone who changes chokes every stand?

B) someone who will change on maybe 2 stands?

C) someone who never changes?

Seeing as the answers to all the above are yes then sporting clays is nothing like golf.

You are comparing a sport you have to change to win to one you don't.

So my point is if you try to give credence to changing chokes by using a sport that you have to change clubs then I can use a sport that doesn't change cues.

Both meaningless and no bearing on the sport we do.

 

[timps]

Yes I know about distance and clubs in golf, but what I don't get its relevance to chokes at sporting clays.

In the history of modern golf has a major ever been won by a player using one club?

Seeing as the answer to that is no then you have to use different clubs to win at golf.

Now on to sporting clays has a major ever been won by:

A) someone who changes chokes every stand?

B) someone who will change on maybe 2 stands?

C) someone who never changes?

Seeing as the answers to all the above are yes then sporting clays is nothing like golf.

You are comparing a sport you have to change to win to one you don't.

So my point is if you try to give credence to changing chokes by using a sport that you have to change clubs then I can use a sport that doesn't change cues.

Both meaningless and no bearing on the sport we do.

 

[EdSolomons]

What club should I use for a 20 yard rabbit?

 

[tiptop]

.......or you could try using the cue as a javelin

 

[Hamster]

What club should I use for a 20 yard rabbit?

A priest works well up close.

 

[ips]

Ha :fie: