She's done it again!

[schmokinn]

Get them all together to shoot say 10 different disciplines,same day/time same targets see who comes up as the best shooter at that time not all time.

Bet its a sporting shooter though I would have some money on a Dorset boy 

 

[Finners]

This reminds me of so many "bar" arguments. So let's try "Who's the best driver in the world?" Are rally drivers better than F1? Does anyone remember, they tried a series of pitching one against the other? As I recall Colin McRea won, but it wasn't clear cut. So, did that stop the arguments? Quite the opposite. 

But it's fairly easy to decide who is the best in any given discipline? You'd think so, but then someone will say "Ohh, but of course we didn't have "X" or "Y" back then"  or "Well of course, the weather that day was far worse" or some such tiffle. 

The simple fact is, we will never know who is the best overall shotgun shooter because we are trying to compare "Apples" with "Oranges" there are far too many variables. 

Pointless argument, entertaining, but pointless. 

Just enjoy your shooting I say. Ohh, and by the way Sporting is MUCH harder, just ask IPS  :lol:  

 

[Hamster]

What a load of Tosh being bandied about.....

Why is sporting the be all and end all ?   It isnt, it will never be an olympic discipline, because you cant replicate the targets exactly around the world for world cups and qualification shoots.

The Olympics hold more emotion for people as it is a lot harder to qualify and compete in (as already said), its not pay and play....

George had a bash at DT, set a world record at the time, but got edged out, so who is the best all round shotgun shooter?  Matt Dryke would spring to mind.....

Fitasc/ESP are the hardest disciplines because they combine the elements of repetition as well as extreme, hard targets. Skeet targets themselves are almost child's play. The hard bit is finding someone who has the odd personality trait of being able to shoot millions of them without wanting to top themselves.

As someone said already, the greatest is he/she who can hit the most from all disciplines and it's not even up for debate that that would be a Sporting shooter, chances are he'd near enough straight Skeet after a couple of hours acclimatization whereas the Skeeters would look like B class (at best) after two weeks. 

If Kim turned up at your average ESP comp nobody would put a penny on her winning it or placing top 5 but RF and GD could almost win before they have fired a shot.  :wink:

 

[blaser f3]

What a load of Tosh being bandied about.....

Why is sporting the be all and end all ?   It isnt, it will never be an olympic discipline, because you cant replicate the targets exactly around the world for world cups and qualification shoots.

The Olympics hold more emotion for people as it is a lot harder to qualify and compete in (as already said), its not pay and play....

George had a bash at DT, set a world record at the time, but got edged out, so who is the best all round shotgun shooter?  Matt Dryke would spring to mind.....

I think you could have sporting as an Olympic sport although compak or sportray would be a more likely scenario. As shooters would turn and just have to deal with targets they were given , the same as those that sail have to deal with wind and sea conditions that are there , which obviously cannot be replicated around the world  !!

What a load of Tosh being bandied about.....

Why is sporting the be all and end all ?   It isnt, it will never be an olympic discipline, because you cant replicate the targets exactly around the world for world cups and qualification shoots.

The Olympics hold more emotion for people as it is a lot harder to qualify and compete in (as already said), its not pay and play....

George had a bash at DT, set a world record at the time, but got edged out, so who is the best all round shotgun shooter?  Matt Dryke would spring to mind.....

 

[Hamster]

I think you could have sporting as an Olympic sport although compak or sportray would be a more likely scenario. As shooters would turn and just have to deal with targets they were given , the same as those that sail have to deal with wind and sea conditions that are there , which obviously cannot be replicated around the world  !!

Precisely, the fact that ESP can't be replicated is the actual REASON why it's harder than Skeet  :wink: , there are many sports such as street cycling, climbing, canoeing, sailing etc, that are just as irreplicable. 

 

[Mutley]

So by the looks of it, if they are not a sporting shooter they cannot be the best...........

This thread was not meant to be a dick swinging thread, but a congratulations to a highly accomplished shooter, who has more drive and accomplished more than 90% of the sporting shooters in the world, twenty years of total dedication takes some beating, along with being a mother and bringing up her children...

Precisely, the fact that ESP can't be replicated is the actual REASON why it's harder than Skeet  :wink: , there are many sports such as street cycling, climbing, canoeing, sailing etc, that are just as irreplicable. 

The ISSF want replication, thats what makes it fair, otherwise you could have people qualify on an easy shoot, rock up at the games and hit bugger all, ..

 

[Jan Powell]

So by the looks of it, if they are not a sporting shooter they cannot be the best...........

This thread was not meant to be a dick swinging thread, but a congratulations to a highly accomplished shooter, who has more drive and accomplished more than 90% of the sporting shooters in the world, twenty years of total dedication takes some beating, along with being a mother and bringing up her children...

The ISSF want replication, thats what makes it fair, otherwise you could have people qualify on an easy shoot, rock up at the games and hit bugger all, ..

You're right Mutley. I began this topic to acknowledge the achievements of what many consider a record that is unsurpassable.

It's a shame some take this as a threat to their masculinity! Take a moment to watch a video of Kim's achievements and acknowledge greatness.

 

[blaser f3]

So by the looks of it, if they are not a sporting shooter they cannot be the best...........

This thread was not meant to be a dick swinging thread, but a congratulations to a highly accomplished shooter, who has more drive and accomplished more than 90% of the sporting shooters in the world, twenty years of total dedication takes some beating, along with being a mother and bringing up her children...

The ISSF want replication, thats what makes it fair, otherwise you could have people qualify on an easy shoot, rock up at the games and hit bugger all, ..

So they hit bugger all and come last , someone's got to ! 

 

[Mutley]

So they hit bugger all and come last , someone's got to ! 

Look atthe trap scores, some are bad, mainly because they won a quota place at either the pan Americn games or the Asain games, wher they are not competing against the wolds best.... The scores refelct it...

 

[Skeet UK]

Precisely, the fact that ESP can't be replicated is the actual REASON why it's harder than Skeet  :wink: , there are many sports such as street cycling, climbing, canoeing, sailing etc, that are just as irreplicable. 

Exactly.  

It is much easier to replicate a layout, if the targets must "go from here to there, within an arc of X and an elevation between X and Y at either fast, or very fast".

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Kim's continuous achievement is less valid than that of GD, BH, CH or King Ed...the only point of real contention, is stating she is the greatest shotgun shooter of all time, which is of course utter sh*te.

 

[Hamster]

You're right Mutley. I began this topic to acknowledge the achievements of what many consider a record that is unsurpassable.

It's a shame some take this as a threat to their masculinity! Take a moment to watch a video of Kim's achievements and acknowledge greatness.

Not quite what your posts suggested though and I quote :  She's not only the greatest Olympic shooter of either sex in the modern era, she's now truly deserves the accolade of the greatest shotgun shooter of all time.

Great shooter yes, Greatest  :huh:  purrlease. 

So by the looks of it, if they are not a sporting shooter they cannot be the best...........

This thread was not meant to be a dick swinging thread, but a congratulations to a highly accomplished shooter, who has more drive and accomplished more than 90% of the sporting shooters in the world, twenty years of total dedication takes some beating, along with being a mother and bringing up her children...

The ISSF want replication, thats what makes it fair, otherwise you could have people qualify on an easy shoot, rock up at the games and hit bugger all, ..

She can be the best and she is at Olympic Skeet, just not the Greatest shotgun shooter of all time. 

 

[blaser f3]

So by the looks of it, if they are not a sporting shooter they cannot be the best...........

This thread was not meant to be a dick swinging thread, but a congratulations to a highly accomplished shooter, who has more drive and accomplished more than 90% of the sporting shooters in the world, twenty years of total dedication takes some beating, along with being a mother and bringing up her children...

The ISSF want replication, thats what makes it fair, otherwise you could have people qualify on an easy shoot, rock up at the games and hit bugger all, ..

So they hit bugger all and come last , someone's got to ! 

This is all a bit of a nonsense really,she obviously is the best in the world at what she shoots( and deserves all the accolades that go with it ), I suppose the thing to say is if she shot against some of the other 'best in the world shotgun shooters' ,and they shot 100 osk and then 100 esp , who would come out on top !! 

But there is (although no osk , I believe)a comp held like this in the states where I think 100,'s of targets are shot over a period of about 4 days !! 

 

[paul b]

WOW still no post on the skeet section from the skeet fans about the great achievement young amber hill managed at the olympics.

What ever discapline it is the ones at the top are great and have spent much time and money and sacrifice getting there and should always be respected for that.

The greatest clay shooter of all time is whoever we choose it to be,there are no rules,its just a opinion,we all have our favourites.

 

[Gavin]

Greatest shooter of all time? The standards of shooting is higher now than its ever been, I don't thank any of the greats of yesteryear would cut the mustered with the best of today's in any discipline.

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Greatest shooter of all time? The standards of shooting is higher now than its ever been, I don't think any of the greats of yesteryear would cut the mustered with the best of today's in any discipline. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

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[Sian]

I think she deserves a standing ovation for dedicating herself to Skeet.  Would drive me nuts to have to concentrate on Skeet only OSK or  ESK!  Each to their own.  It's the dedication to be the best at what she chose to specialise in that I applaud.  Our Amber will hopefully go the same route and in 20 years time if we are still here we can chat about this again.

 

[Skeetfreak]

Certainly a fantastic achievement and 100% makes her the best clay shooting Olympian of all time. (best say that in case some pistol shooter is reading.......)

To win her first  medal at 17yrs old in DOUBLE TRAP and then later on have her chosen discipline taken away from her (after 2 olympics) to then make the switch to OSK and then take 4 more medals is just phenomenal. Wonder how many of the men will be able to do the same when they remove DT altogether at the next Olympics as the gossip suggests.

This has been a hugely successful shooting Olympics for team GB and i wonder it if shows that our more structured / professional approach is beginning to pay off. Long may it continue and the shooters coming up through the various talent pathways be part of that.

The real truth of it is we will likely not see anyone replicate Kimberley Rhode's achievement in the near future as the lifespan of the Olympic shooters is seemingly much shorter currently. They seem to win a medal or two (especially if gold) and call it a day to do other things. Which i can fully understand TBH as the level of dedication required is huge to shoot an Olympic discipline even on the fringes let alone to actually reach the very top.

Now as for those of you sitting here running skeet (any version) down as only for shooters who cannot shoot that is massively insulting. There are plenty of shooters the world over who choose to only shoot skeet (myself included) and its not because they cannot shoot other disciplines, its because they choose to shoot skeet as they enjoy it more.

It would drive me nuts to only be able to shoot sporting / any of the trap disciplines - simply put, shot them (sometimes well) and they are OK - just not for me.

To knock the discipline and the dedicated shooters of it (even if you think ts fluffy rabbits in your own mind) is not right and in fact almost makes my blood boil.

 

[Brand New]

The lady can shoot,she has an Olympic medal to prove it. You can argue all you like who is the best shot of all time but she has an Olympic medal which means she beat all the opposition in that contest. Fair play to her,all she can do is beat those that shoot against her and she has done that.

 

[ips]

The lady can shoot,she has an Olympic medal to prove it. You can argue all you like who is the best shot of all time but she has an Olympic medal which means she beat all the opposition in that contest. Fair play to her,all she can do is beat those that shoot against her and she has done that.

exactly.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

The lady can shoot,she has an Olympic medal to prove it. You can argue all you like who is the best shot of all time but she has an Olympic medal which means she beat all the opposition in that contest. Fair play to her,all she can do is beat those that shoot against her and she has done that.

Difficult to argue that.  Been a lotta years since I first met Kim and I have all the respect in the world for her.  She walked the walk.  But all the BS about the greatest shooter thing is nothing less than silly.  And, really, who cares and what difference does it make?

And lest some deluded person think that this is a jingoistic motivated comment I was very hoping that cousin Amber would prevail.  So...... just wait till next time 

 

[Paul120]

The regulation of targets has to be a consideration on international shoots such as the Olympics.. otherwise the hosts would just set up what suits the local guy.. look at the Dubi thing.. certainly didn't suit a lot of supposidly the worlds best and also luck on who whot what targets on different days  played a massive part.

But on the whole you only play against who can affoed it  and  can be bothered to turn up.