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So, I went out and had another go.
First I covered my left eye completely but I looked "straight" down the bead and lined up my 8, and? Left!
I then moved the gun towards the centre of my chest by half an inch and this is the result.
The thing I don't get is I was still looking "straight" along the bead forming an 8 but the POI has moved. Weird!
First I covered my left eye completely but I looked "straight" down the bead and lined up my 8, and? Left!
I then moved the gun towards the centre of my chest by half an inch and this is the result.
The thing I don't get is I was still looking "straight" along the bead forming an 8 but the POI has moved. Weird!
Skeet UK
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I thought that might help.
So will you dabble some more then get a cast adjustment?
So will you dabble some more then get a cast adjustment?
I think I'll have a chat with the local gunsmith to see what they suggest.
I read that adding cast is not the best route. Maybe the ISIS is the best route.
I also need to pattern my hunter now and see if that needs the same treatment.
I read that adding cast is not the best route. Maybe the ISIS is the best route.
I also need to pattern my hunter now and see if that needs the same treatment.
Will Hewland
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Great that you have more info. Glad you eliminated the eye thing. Now you know. It gets trickier now :fie:
Will Hewland
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Can anybody watch you shoot? Just maybe you are tensing the left hand and yawing left as you shoot? Clutching at straws now, but it may be quickly apparent to somebody who knows what hey are looking at. Good luck with it.
Skeet UK
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You should also consider the option that the gun is slightly too long.
People have a tendency to mount the gun further out on the arm. Maybe not when you are doing it deliberately, but in the heat of the moment...you do.
So, I would say, try a shorter but pad...DIY it...go from there.
People have a tendency to mount the gun further out on the arm. Maybe not when you are doing it deliberately, but in the heat of the moment...you do.
So, I would say, try a shorter but pad...DIY it...go from there.
Clynt
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Owen this just might be that your XS has been fitted with a left-hand stock ??? get it looked at by a good gunsmith, let him take stock measurements for toe and heel cast ? call browning or who ever give the guns serial no and see what it was sold has ? R/H or L/H ..... WHERE YOU BOUGHT IT SHOULD KNOW !!!!!
Not sure how you can be so certain of that? Even if the measurements are taken using gunsmiths tools, it's unlikely they'd shoot identical POI or in fact similarly in terms of scores. It's fairly obvious the XS has insufficient cast.
I haven't measured them, so I'm not certain of anything but I looked on the Browning website and they are the same length/drop etc and neither are meant to have cast.
I am going to take both guns to the gunsmith to have them measured up.
Best way to go, get a smith to measure them. They say all of them are the same but we all know you can shoulder 2 identical new guns straight off the rack and they both feel different. My Grd 1 miroku stock for instance, a tad more cast than my Grd 5 and a noticeably fatter palm swell. Same factory dimensions apparently :/
Interesting thread this.
I think I have a similar problem with my MX8 shooting slightly left by a few inches although I have not done anywhere near the amount of trials as the original poster due to lack of cardboard and pattern plate facilities.
The results in the piccies below are from one test only so I don't know if its a common occurence but like the OP I appear to be looking straight down the barrel?
I guess I need to PP a few more times to find some consistent results and then may be a trip to a gunsmith although I'm not sure who to go to in the Midlands. Is Simon at Doveridge any good for for gun fitting? I know he does a lovely job with fitting a adjustable comb but other than that don't know his abilities. BTW the adjustable comb was on a previous gun, the MX8 is non-adjustable Montecarlo.
DT
EDIT: Should have sid that petterning done at 36 yards (ish)
I think I have a similar problem with my MX8 shooting slightly left by a few inches although I have not done anywhere near the amount of trials as the original poster due to lack of cardboard and pattern plate facilities.
The results in the piccies below are from one test only so I don't know if its a common occurence but like the OP I appear to be looking straight down the barrel?
I guess I need to PP a few more times to find some consistent results and then may be a trip to a gunsmith although I'm not sure who to go to in the Midlands. Is Simon at Doveridge any good for for gun fitting? I know he does a lovely job with fitting a adjustable comb but other than that don't know his abilities. BTW the adjustable comb was on a previous gun, the MX8 is non-adjustable Montecarlo.
DT
EDIT: Should have sid that petterning done at 36 yards (ish)
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I have been reading this thread with a great deal of interest. I find it interesting because I have read and watches a number of online gun coaching articles who would say "STOP LOOKING DOWN THE RIB" and look at the target then shoot to intercept the target. Now I must say its not something that I do myself. I do my setup looking straight down the barrel at the bead then once I am happy that I am looking straight down the barrel with my left eye I raise my eyes to look over the trap house for the bird and call it up. The next bit is the bit that I find most confusing. After spotting the clay and seeing it trajectory I swing the barrels up and just as my bead comes up below the clay I squeeze the trigger. Now you will have noticed the word bead! This surely means that what I do after seeing the clay is instinctively swing my gun to the target but at the point of taking the shot I am actually looking down the rib and using the bead aiming the shotgun at the target not pointing it to where the target will end up if hit. I must point out that I only shoot ABT so all the targets are rising and going away I also shoot a trap gun so it will/ should shoot high. I am not sure that all this is totally relevant to the OP's problem but If all these gun coaches are correct we should not be looking down the rib at all?? I find it all very confusing when it comes to what coaches say either that or I am not interpreting what they are trying to say properly :fie: I have watched a lot of world class trap shooters on vids if they are not looking down the rib what are they doing?
Will Hewland
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To avoid a really long answer, I think the concept of 'looking at' and 'being aware of where something is in your vision' is the root to this.
Dog Tyred
When you shot those two patterns how did you go about it? Did you go through your normal pre shot setup as you would when shooting say ABT/ DTL or did you mount the gun and take a careful aim and shoot? Because if you think about it logically there is a world of difference between shooting a moving target barrels swinging and shooting a static target barrels still. What I am trying to say is that you may already allow for that very slight left hand POI in your clay shooting gunmount and swing through? You might not be aiming as well as you think you are? I know that when I shoot my Rifle using a scope I think I am on target only to be proved wrong when I look at the results :crazy: its easy to be even 1/2" off with a rifle fitted with a top notch riflescope at 40 yds what chance do you have with a shotgun that has no rear sight at ~40 yds
PS damned lucky you never hit that car when you took the shots :biggrin:
When you shot those two patterns how did you go about it? Did you go through your normal pre shot setup as you would when shooting say ABT/ DTL or did you mount the gun and take a careful aim and shoot? Because if you think about it logically there is a world of difference between shooting a moving target barrels swinging and shooting a static target barrels still. What I am trying to say is that you may already allow for that very slight left hand POI in your clay shooting gunmount and swing through? You might not be aiming as well as you think you are? I know that when I shoot my Rifle using a scope I think I am on target only to be proved wrong when I look at the results :crazy: its easy to be even 1/2" off with a rifle fitted with a top notch riflescope at 40 yds what chance do you have with a shotgun that has no rear sight at ~40 yds
PS damned lucky you never hit that car when you took the shots :biggrin:
Hear what you say but I don't want to be making mental adjustments when viewing the target (RH edge for both right and left handers). Ditto for going away birds. I just want the bloody thing to shoot where I am looking!
I also know what you mean about aiming a shoot gun at a fixed pattern plate but strange tha both bottom and top barrel came out exactly the same when 'aimed' separately??
DT
I also know what you mean about aiming a shoot gun at a fixed pattern plate but strange tha both bottom and top barrel came out exactly the same when 'aimed' separately??
DT
Oh come on Clever give me the really long answer I am genuinely interested. When you are as new to a sport as I am you crave opinion, well I do anyway! I have been shooting game for quite a number of years and never really thought about POI and patterns until I started shooting inanimate clay discs... which by the way are totally inedible whatever way you try to cook them :biggrin: ! True story.. When I was working there was this really lovely girl that worked with me and one day in the office we were discussing organising a days clay pigeon shooting for the people in the office. Over hearing the discussion up pipes Dawn awe that cruel what harm have clay pigeons done to you lot! And yes she was serious, that got some laughs!
DT
Another theory would say what about gun movement? Is it possible that the recoil of the shotgun is instrumental in what you are seeing at the pattern plate? Could it be that you are subconsciously moving your body as you take the shot to absorb the recoil of the gun? I am only making these suggestions because the POI is only a little bit off but you are shooting static can you be certain that the same thing is happening when you make a shot when your body is moving the gun in reaction to a moving target? I would say that to be certain you need to pattern the gun without actually holding it if you know what I mean.
Another theory would say what about gun movement? Is it possible that the recoil of the shotgun is instrumental in what you are seeing at the pattern plate? Could it be that you are subconsciously moving your body as you take the shot to absorb the recoil of the gun? I am only making these suggestions because the POI is only a little bit off but you are shooting static can you be certain that the same thing is happening when you make a shot when your body is moving the gun in reaction to a moving target? I would say that to be certain you need to pattern the gun without actually holding it if you know what I mean.
