Shooting the bird fast.

[nagantino]

I've read several times that DTL targets are best taken quickly. When I'm shooting I sometimes try it and it works but I've never had the nerve to do it in a match all the way through. What I mean is, I get a few good misses under my belt and then try shooting fast. It's fun. What do you do?

 

[ips]

Don't agree with taking dtl targets fast, why, there is no need to let it out a bit and make sure.

 

[jwpzx9r]

The mantra should be see bird shoot bird ! Just as Ian says.

 

[ips]

spose it depends what you class as fast.

You certainly need to take the dtl target when it is still rising not when its peaked and dropping but you don't need to take it as soon as its left the trap house, unless its very windy of course. So like most things in shooting it really does depend on certain things on the day.

 

[Jay]

Probably more important to shoot them consistently with a similar firing time for each target. I done some training with Dennis Stepney and his Clay Angel system on the OT range. It videos and monitors the timing, I was shooting the target between 0.58 and 0.64s depending on the target. It's a good training aid for identifying those areas that need training.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I have always, and always will shoot the target as quickly as my meager abilities allow.  Any time I take the effort to analyse a target I see a missed target.  

The inner carnivore can always catch the food if you let it.

JMO of course

 

[ips]

Interesting analogy, and prob quite true.

 

[ips]

However for the short time I shot really good AA dtl I found letting the target out and not rushing it worked best but were all diffrent.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

However for the short time I shot really good AA dtl I found letting the target out and not rushing it worked best but were all diffrent.

rushing and shooting fast are not the same thing

 

[Paul120]

rushing and shooting fast are not the same thing

Spot on. mistake I was making on Sunday. Trying to shoot quick but rushing the shot actually made me shoot slower.

Smooth and quick is what's needed.

 

[jwpzx9r]

Wonko

Is that after you have seen the target well or do you start moving your gun as soon as you see it emerge from under the lid after calling? The reason I ask is that I have tried moving my gun quickly after calling the target after first seeing it and I miss a lot behind because I am moving my gun so fast I stop it to shoot the target whereas if I wait until the target is well out after seeing it well I don't stop my gun. I tried to get a move on and my scores went from 21-22 down to 12-15 I just had to stop and go back to slow but sure.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Well, this may sound sorta mystical but here it is.  When I'm shooting really well, an event of note these days, everything runs on automatic.  My conscious involvement with shooting the target is about zip.  There are strange times when I somehow realize that I've made a bad move and not on the target and I have to make some, hopefully, successful correction.  I'm guessing that happens when I engage before the target is visible.  Or the wetware stutters or something.  I really don't know but fortunately that isn't frequent.  Otherwise I call for the target and am really consciously aware of it when it breaks, or flies on as they do.  I'm sure that a hard focus on the target is the key but it all happens so fast that I really don't seem to be in conscious control of that.  And that "fast" term is only relative to internal me.  I just don't seem to have the ability to record all the intervening events.

If I try to watch the target and do that analysis of angle etc what I'm usually doing is watching a missed target.

and that only applies to trap.  And first barrel at pigeons

I am in total admiration of people who can just cruise along on a target and then even tell you what they did.  Absolutely completely beyond my comprehension. 

good luck on trying to make any sense of this

 

[dyosk]

I know so much about how we perceive our shooting is in our own heads, so to add to the debate I think I shoot fastest when I wait to really see the bird then move to it. Not sure if it is faster,,I would have to try Jays camera technique but it sure feels quicker. Less haste more speed as somebody once said.....timing is everything for me if things go wrong it tends to be because I'm moving too fast

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Luke - - - beeeeeee the gun

 

[jwpzx9r]

Me too dyosk if I get after it too quick after seeing the target I have trouble but if I wait and really get my beads well on it I usually move the gun very fast and shoot it well. It is almost as if when I move too quickly I don't have the balls to pull the trigger when I am on target because I think I am going to swing through it so I slow my gun so badly it effectively stops and I miss at the back of the target yet I am sure the gun is still moving quickly when I wait after seeing the target.

 

[ips]

rushing and shooting fast are not the same thing

i never said it was.

Let the target out is what i said and don't rush to shoot it as in see the target properly then shoot it.

 

[nagantino]

This weekend I'm going to try shooting "fast". Like I have said, I do it when it doesn't matter cos I'm down a couple of birds. It's fun, it works but doing it from the start..........I have never tried it all the way through. I will try it on Sunday and yes Be theGun, Feel the Force. Eat the Peach.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

i never said it was.

Let the target out is what i said and don't rush to shoot it as in see the target properly then shoot it.

That was just a clarification not an argument or flame

 

[ips]

My apologies Mr wonko